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Post by vilnoori on May 1, 2012 16:25:57 GMT -5
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Post by Richard on May 1, 2012 23:33:20 GMT -5
Hmm - being quite familiar with knives, and I imagine Jason can add more to this than I can - I think it is a gimmick.
Mainly, sure, it stabs, and yes it would hurt to have it "inject" air into the target, but to have the time to stab, then press the button seems rather impossible.
Furthermore, you are creating a "rocket" - a confined area, with a blast of pressure on one end, will more than likely send the knife back out the hole from which it came. Sure it will cause some damage, but I'd rather have 3 solid blows with the knife (assuming you could get full penetration each time - which would be required to use the C02 effectively) than rely on a 1 shot C02 release.
My solution is simple.
1. Don't swim in shark infested waters. 2. Bring a Shotgun with you if you are in bear country and expect and hand-to-hand fight - or pepper spray (I am partial to the shotty for several reasons).
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Post by billr on May 2, 2012 0:16:22 GMT -5
There are some cool videos on youtube showing things getting blown up by that knife (iirc a watermelon)
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Post by Jason C. on May 2, 2012 1:15:01 GMT -5
I also found a really nifty kind of knife that I wish I could afford. It has a hole and releases pressurized CO2, killing whatever you are stabbing instantly. The knife is theatrics, and was created for the "mall ninja" crowd. Instant kills generally occur only in Hollywood scripts. I don't want to go into all the details, but people and animals only die of two things: blood loss or central-nervous system hits. Blood loss usually is measured in minutes. I guarantee you this... go up to the watermelon with a shotgun loaded with a blank shell -- and watch the gasses that are expelled from the barrel do the exact same thing as the $500 knife. I recommend buying a short-barreled shotgun, instead of the knife, for $299... www.canadaammo.com/product.php?productid=11&cat=0&page=1Not only is it cheaper, but it will allow you to use it at a distance and REPEATEDLY. The last thing you want to be doing is waiting for the bear or the cougar to get within 5.25 inches, so you can use your CO2 knife. Respectfully, Jason
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Post by Jason C. on May 2, 2012 1:17:21 GMT -5
My must have item... KODAK Zi-8 HD video camera (Thomas chastised me this weekend when I walked away from the campsite without my camera in my pocket... "What would you have done, if you saw him? Why are we here Jason?" )
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Post by billr on May 2, 2012 1:25:10 GMT -5
Make no mistake Jason I think those knives are a joke, but the videos are fun to watch. I also know what a 180 grain bullet can do to a 1,000 lbs animal
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Post by vilnoori on May 2, 2012 14:50:31 GMT -5
Well I've never tried one out. Can't afford it. The watermelon tests do look fun but I want to see if there is freezing or not. They don't show.
Sigh...I can't even afford pepper spray. I do have a bow, but only in hunting season. And a hand-held siren for non-hunting season.
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Post by Jason C. on May 2, 2012 16:20:23 GMT -5
Sigh...I can't even afford pepper spray. Please be careful Vilnoori. Pepper spray is an absolute must here. Heidi and I were charged by a black bear up on Sumas Mountain a few years ago. The bear got within about 3 feet, before stopping. We got lucky -- it could have ended differently for us. We made the stupid assumption that because we were in town, we would be fine -- when the reality is that habituated animals are more dangerous and closer to town. The SHU rating not the percentage of capsicum is what is important when buying pepper spray. I carry www.udap.com/ in a chest harness when out in the woods.
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Post by billr on May 2, 2012 19:18:30 GMT -5
I am a hypocrit I tell people all the time to carry pepper spray, but I very rarely do. I usually don't camp with a firearm either unless I am hunting
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Post by vilnoori on May 2, 2012 19:37:00 GMT -5
The shotgun looks nice too but I usually like walking in the ER's and the park areas, or near people, I don't want it taken from me after spending so much $$$.
Jason I will look into the pepper spray. But then again, it is a one shot deal and if it misfires or the wind is in the wrong direction then what?
With cougars they rarely give you a shot, they pounce on you from the back unseen. I wear a hat with eyes painted in the back, it is supposed to confuse them. I do walk a lot in cougar country and have seen some pretty large, fresh prints. On the way back. If I smell that "tomcat" smell I leave immediately, especially if I have kids. This has happened a couple of times.
I hear you on the bears, Jason. The most bears I saw were right at home as a teen--we lived above Promontory Heights, which is above a dump. Our land was on a corridor between the mountains and the dump. My mom shot one from the back of the house one day, I helped her skin it out. We ate bear that winter and the CO's allowed it because they were such a nuisance.
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Post by Jason C. on May 2, 2012 21:25:33 GMT -5
But then again, it is a one shot deal and if it misfires or the wind is in the wrong direction then what? Just in case someone stumbles across this thread at a later time... I am a federally certified law enforcement trainer. In my career I estimate I used pepper spray well over 100 times. Pepper spray canisters are not one shot devices. You take your finger off the trigger and they stop dispensing, similar to fire extinguishers. A small 2 oz bottle of pepper spray can be used 4-6 times (2 second burst) and sprays about 12-20 feet. The 9.2 oz bottle I recommend, can be used 5-10 times and sprays over 30 feet. UDAP Spray in Chest HarnessPepper spray does not cause permanent tissue damage -- bears and cougars do. Even if you are windy conditions, with the wind blowing directly into your face, spray the animal attacking you. Will you experience temporary pain if you hit yourself with the spray? Maybe. But it would be a lot less painful than the hurt a 200 lb mountain lion or 1000 lb bear will put on you. As Vilnoori pointed out, you will not always see a cougar before it attacks. That is why my wife and daughter carry pepper spray, and know to spray the cougar or bear even if it is engaged with its intended victim. You yell "SPRAY" a second before spraying, so that the victim being attacked can shut their eyes and hold their breath, to try and limit their exposure. Will the victim be burning? Yes. Will the temporary pain go away? Yes. I highly recommend that people practice with inert canisters, just as police officers do. And train your kids. Inert training spray
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Post by lorelei on May 2, 2012 22:17:01 GMT -5
My must have item... KODAK Zi-8 HD video camera (Thomas chastised me this weekend when I walked away from the campsite without my camera in my pocket... "What would you have done, if you saw him? Why are we here Jason?" ) Thomas chastises us all for not wearing helmet cams at all time when driving or in the bush.
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Post by billr on May 2, 2012 23:03:00 GMT -5
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Post by Richard on May 2, 2012 23:45:14 GMT -5
As Jason pointed out a shotgun is a nice piece of bush gear. Obviously don't carry it where you are not allowed to do so, and ALWAYS carry in a safe responsible manner (safety ON and round not chambered when in carry, and unloaded when in transit). Although I have used a 870 and been trained on it, I am partial to the Mossberg 500: www.cabelas.ca/index.cfm?pageID=71&§ion=1187§ion2=1727§ion3=1954&ID=3820For just over $200 ... I have fired thousands of rounds through mine, and so far no jams ... for only $200 (and the needed training) how much is your life worth? Of course you do not carry this when in a provincial park etc, however it isn't difficult to get out in the bush and in a pickle REALLY quickly ... this can save your life. It can be not only protection against predators, but a firestarter (shells) and even a signaling device (3 shots, spaced five seconds apart will signal HELP). Please don't get the wrong idea: I am not saying we need to arm ourselves for every outing, nor turn into a gun toting club. What I am saying is that you cannot be chastised for doing the right thing and legally. After all I know of far too many "close calls" that could have turned ugly if not for a firearm. Richard.
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Post by billr on May 3, 2012 0:09:59 GMT -5
Also for firearms use the kiss method. No folding stocks, pistol grips etc.
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