billr
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Post by billr on Jan 26, 2016 21:27:11 GMT -5
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island
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Post by island on Jan 30, 2016 14:31:43 GMT -5
Interesting but weak
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Post by billr on Jan 30, 2016 15:56:30 GMT -5
I think it is fantasy but I threw it out there for others to comment
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Post by Captain Morgan on Jan 30, 2016 21:02:40 GMT -5
By fantasy you must mean hugely over-embellished lies by multiple delusional co conspirators.
Otherwise they saw the bedding they claim made of the materials they claim and they treated the location in the manner they claim.
If \ when at the symposium they show pictures of this location as described then surely it is not fantasy, so let's not jump to conclusions on what's real or weak.
Also, Derek Randalls is correct in stating his stance on sharing information after all the froohaha and fallout from the Smeja shooting and Melba Ketchum debacle.
This isn't UFO portals and known bat-sh*t crazy people, these are among the more respected researchers with a lot more tenure, time, effort and investment than most, so let's keep an even keel about it.
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billr
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Post by billr on Feb 1, 2016 0:53:10 GMT -5
No by fantasy I mean people jumping to conclusions without adequate evidence
your opinion of the group doing the project seems to be higher then mine is some of the problems that Derek had on BFF were of his own making IMHO until a person or group provides concrete evidence to support their theories, they are just talking
And we always must be careful up "group think" especially when we are reviewing evidence of an unknown origin
If a person or group produces evidence that can be reviewed scientifically, then my hat is off to them regardless of whether I agree with their conclusion or not
The time of "take our word for it" or "trust me" are long passed
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Post by Captain Morgan on Feb 1, 2016 10:49:27 GMT -5
"people jumping to conclusions without adequate evidence" That seems to be EXACTLY what we are doing no?
"your opinion of the group doing the project seems to be higher then mine is" I don't have a high opinion of the group, I'm not friends with them at all. In fact it's QUITE the opposite based on my interactions with them. If anything my "let's wait and see" stance is a tribute to my own fairness and open-mindedness.
"some of the problems that Derek had on BFF were of his own making IMHO" agreed as stated.
"And we always must be careful up "group think" especially when we are reviewing evidence of an unknown origin" Anyone that knows me, knows that I'm the LAST person you want to consider for group think. I don't care if 99 other people all agree on where to find fairy dust, if it doesn't bode well or make make sense to me I'm going to be voice of reason.
"The time of "take our word for it" or "trust me" are long passed" Oh yeah, put up or shut up. Do consider that the more info they reveal, the more likely that site will be over-run by "researchers" and spoiled, so a measure of prudence is in order no? If they can't provide anything but their own narrative then yes, might be fairy dust. I say give them time.
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sawone
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Post by sawone on Feb 1, 2016 11:43:58 GMT -5
Thr first question that went through my mind when I heard of this was, are they cribbing a detail from Albert Ostman's story, or have they just found evidence to confirm that old tale? Like both of you, Billr and Cpt Morgan, I'll have to await further deveopments.
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Post by billr on Feb 1, 2016 22:17:22 GMT -5
By fantasy you must mean hugely over-embellished lies by multiple delusional co conspirators. Otherwise they saw the bedding they claim made of the materials they claim and they treated the location in the manner they claim. OR Is this a case of group think If \ when at the symposium they show pictures of this location as described then surely it is not fantasy, so let's not jump to conclusions on what's real or weak. I am not jumping to conclusions If they produce evidence then great I will evaluate it is this not the same group that claimed that they had sasquatch DNA a couple of years back I think we are still waiting for the evidence Also, Derek Randalls is correct in stating his stance on sharing information after all the froohaha and fallout from the Smeja shooting and Melba Ketchum debacle. I call bs on this Smeja and Ketchum were both clearly frauds the froohaha and fallout was because of their own actions If he doesn't want to share information then fine, don't share it, but don't play the game of giving a little information and then refuse to share more This isn't UFO portals and known bat-sh*t crazy people, these are among the more respected researchers with a lot more tenure, time, effort and investment than most, so let's keep an even keel about it. I have an even keel produce the evidence for review if you don't produce then don't play the trust me game OR the tease game
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Richard
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Post by Richard on Feb 1, 2016 22:39:37 GMT -5
MY $0.02 if I may. It does seem that the evidence (at least up until now) has not been strong enough to support claims. So a very healthy level of skepticism is a natural byproduct of the historical BS we've been fed in the past.
A "nest" would imply a lot more than a structure, it would require at the very least imprints and hair, or better yet scat and other verifiable evidence.
To quote Feynman: "It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong."
Now pass the beer!!!
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Post by Captain Morgan on Feb 2, 2016 14:50:43 GMT -5
The argument is solid, the logic sound and we're not on two extremes here.
CLAIMING to have evidence of nests, hair samples, scat etc sounds more promising than hearing two howls at the Ohio Salt Fork State Park Bigfoot Ridge by BFRO members, but agreed it's nothing if in the end it's all hearsay and idle chit-chat, or the evidence hoarded by the cool kids clubs.
I agree with either sharing or not making the claim in the first place. And not getting suckered in and flying the flag for the cause when in actuality, there is no cause and never was. And if you're going to share the information, then share it, don't try to sell it or make money on interviews and Monster Quest type programs.
The burden of proof is wholly on Derek this time and he can't blame being deceived or snookered. He says in the interview that they collected hair that is VERIFIED by visual exam as not bear or deer by Cindy Dosen*, who apparently is some "hair expert". I don't know her, maybe she's some kinda idiot savant when it comes to hair, hell if I know.
This is just another example of the fact that Derek says he learned his lessons, is being more careful and will present photos at a symposium. Since the symposiums are really "revenue generating sources" aka: bigfoot researchers dog and pony shows; and most everyone IN those circles are all chummy, I can see why they wouldn't give away the cow for free so to speak.
But after making people wait on faith and his questionable word, then he better damned well cough up some awesome cow. I'm sure when they do, we'll look at them and accuse them of constructing the bedding themselves and staging it all.
*About BFRO Investigator Cindy Dosen:
• Diploma in Animal Sciences. Working toward Veterinary License
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island
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Post by island on Feb 14, 2016 21:30:11 GMT -5
It's not the stealth's hideout in the forest is it ... Sure looks like a human construction doesn't it..
Its really very easy to figure this one out , hair evidence or more so the lack of it.
There should be hairs plural left by any beastly beast like Sasquatch , hairy as he is.
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Cryptosaurian
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Post by Cryptosaurian on Feb 14, 2016 21:34:40 GMT -5
I agree island. It is interesting but they should have collected more physical evidence. What do you think?
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Post by island on Feb 17, 2016 0:11:22 GMT -5
I agree it was botched imo
A taped perimeter and the searchers should of dawn disposable painters overalls and did a grid search for any hair evidence
Hair evidence was never produced to back up the sasq nest claim
Have to go Sherlock with that bad boy !
With a magnifying glass.. haha
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