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Post by kokanee on Aug 19, 2015 16:06:32 GMT -5
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Post by Cryptosaurian on Feb 13, 2016 21:08:17 GMT -5
Yes, it is interesting. For me, I have heard stories/reports of Ogopogos my whole life growing up near Okanagan Lake; I've interviewed two eyewitnesses who are absolutely convinced that they've seen one of the Ogie brood. I myself had an experience back in October 31st, 2015. So in nutshell: Yes!
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Post by Cryptosaurian on Mar 19, 2016 20:20:32 GMT -5
However, the identity of such creatures remains a mystery. I'm with the BCSCC that BC freshwater cryptids could very well be part of the order Amphibia because Ogopogo (contrary to popular belief) has been described as having jointed limbs....not a snake-like trait. Also, the fact that several eyewitnesses have described seeing Ogopogo creatures on land with feet could be a good reason why the Amphibia is the best hypothesis we have right now. The damn plesiosaur theory just doesn't cut it.......
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Post by Cryptosaurian on Jul 4, 2018 13:36:14 GMT -5
1. On the subject of water cryptids, this might also be of interest as well: www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW2XpjqV-3Y2. There's another HicK's lake video by LANDSEAAIR CANADA (love their content): www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZOoqmnVLwU&list=PLpScFqEBTPVuixccbXCH4ZhaR00iFrB7M&index=53. Also, in the comments of the Hicks lake 2 video, there was a report made by "James Kraquorn" about a sighting of a similar creature in Harrison in 2005 (the post was written on 2015). The details are as follows: "I believe this story as I have also seen a similar creature in Harrison Lake about 10 years ago. Much smaller than what they described in Hicks, but very similar in appearance. The head on the one I saw was more horse-like than snake-like, and the head/neck came well up out of the water as though it were looking around. The local natives call it Shanuklas. I contacted them about my sighting but they pretty much blew me off. Whatever, I know what I saw that day - I will never forget it." Sighting thoughts: Admittedly, the man may have seen a moose, but let us not forget he also said the 2005 Harrison Lake creature described is correlated fairyl closely with the Hick's Lake creature---however, the possibility of misidentification should be considered. All in all, it's still an interesting report to be honest; the detail of the neck sticking out of the water and it looking around is quite interesting. Just thought I'd let you guys know. I can't wait to see you all at this years BBQ. Best, Leviathan
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Post by Richard on Jul 12, 2018 0:11:49 GMT -5
Hi Leviathan, to answer your question (from the other post)
Generally speaking I am very skeptical about most sightings of lake cryptids. The reason is that I think they are far too easy to misidentify.
Of course there are those reports which are iron clad, but they are few and far between. At least with Sasquatch, a bipedal 8' tall hairy thing moving around in the bush is rather difficult to confuse with a moose - however when most (95% or more) of the beast is hidden under the waves, identification becomes almost impossible.
So, leaving hoaxing aside, I would argue that lake monsters make great stories, but terrible science. They leave (for the most part) little trace evidence behind, are easily misidentified and quite impossible to reproduce.
So I'll stick to the hairy one - and even he is tough to nail down.
See you at the BBQ!
Richard
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Post by Cryptosaurian on Jul 12, 2018 9:36:18 GMT -5
Fair enough and you make some good points----however, for those that are "iron-clad", that is the core of why I have lake cryptids on my "to-investigate" list. Even if 99.9% of them turn out to be honest mistakes--and a handful of hoaxes---there still leaves a percentage that voices the possibility of something large living in lakes (under whatever name the lake(s) may be called). Yes, mis-ID levels with lake monsters are high and yes, they are easy to fake (see the 1934 Loch Ness photo as an example)so that still leaves me reasonably skeptical of lake cryptid reports. The one above is a perfect example of that: I still opine lake cryptids can be misidentified--BUT the core body of sightings still behooves me to do my due diligence in investigating such reports. I interviewed a witness in 2015 who purported to see an "Ogo-creature" swim within a meter of her boat and while she recounted the story, her hands were shaking the entire time because of her reaction she still had towards her sighting. I am not saying all lake cryptid reports are of unknown creatures; that would be silly to assume that as assuming all lumps in the forest are sasquatch. However, to simply throw out such reports with the lake water (get the reference ) in my opinion is also silly and should out at least be investigated. Sorry about that spiel, but I wanted to point out why I research such cryptids, granted if they do exist. Anyhow, those are my two cents. Hope I didn't come off as too argumentative. That being said, I'm happy to have you on board. Sometimes, a skeptical jolt is needed instead of mindless acceptance so I hionestly welcome your skepticism. See you at the BBQ too and let's talk sasquatch. I'm also getting interested in hairy hominids. Least they're easier to track .
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Post by Richard on Jul 12, 2018 23:43:33 GMT -5
You raise perfectly valid points. In the grand scheme of things, as main stream science doesn't want to touch any of this, I believe it to be best to focus on one type (Bigfoot or Lake Monsters etc) and once it can be proven, then the other ones will be much easier to source and get funding to investigate. Since I believe Bigfoot is the easiest of the group to prove, then that is where I think most 'hunters' should focus. However, it has been over 100 years of trying to prove it, and obviously without any success ... net result is really do what you like, and more power to you See you at the BBQ!! PS I'm game with discussing anything paranormal, or even normal for that matter ... so bring your A-game, and I'll be ready to chin wag all day Richard
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Post by Cryptosaurian on Aug 3, 2018 15:45:54 GMT -5
Hello again everybody, for those of who were wondering about "Where the heck were unknown sea creaturesdoing in 2017?"....well, here is a report detailed in a video by LAND-SEA-AIR Canada: www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiSxJGApQXAYour welcome guys, always happy to help.
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Post by Cryptosaurian on Aug 9, 2018 16:33:23 GMT -5
Hello everyone, I have brought several standout images and videos which may point to the existence of large, serpent-like creatures in Okanagan: 1. www.youtube.com/watch?v=venbDco6HVwWhat: This little thing regarding Ogopogo was posted on 5 Feb 2015 by Golchuk Digital Media Inc; it gives a brief little rundown on the Ogopogo nation, but what I'm particularly interested in is what it captures on film. At around 0:43 seconds, it fades into what looks like an accidental sighting by possibly two individuals (or one person); what is seen is a clear disturbance/bow wave in fairly calm water, indicating something possibly physical creating the disturbance. The person shooting the film says the creature went under the water and films the disturbance until the video cuts to "Ogopogo: An Okanagan Legend". My only gripe is that they showed jsut the sighting clip itself and not the narration or end title as that that would make it less of a 'commercial" of sorts. But what do you think? 2. www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154345319527001&set=p.10154345319527001&type=1&opaqueCursor=AbpZd2mxez9y7m2oNwQE2XUwzfPLrlpi8m5STwAnuZzX2MgZEu4nNRekKJ--D0H93Xnj6uos2XxeuI0K5JtOaPrtUADZJf9Xg_W86v50puWFLe3ZtcnKP9zaMfhcyrQU3kHfsiFXsYBuC0S-mlOPBwB-DmBzj1BHAOSBfbWrHG5qvAlsHbl98fRKmyu3OvVtUY520Yy2U8sYUGh7uJ7R3xzR2ciGGQv8vtnLf_BbEm3EI2b7FGC1ejpz8Yv4yuTH1MP7PZFIKGZ_VH2USGQzgZ5eqVbc1Q1Y9z5QGJUnCgCGJEBzVNvkLWSTM2x7i9pz4UJzX6PfllNO-ideYgWoHuRdR5FdJD0q3igmeZMysdsuqmOytB0OQr5Tar-FK0CfaZJCnrRB3KaO2zxETSzj6XMK&theaterWhat: This photograph, with only "Ogopogo" as a description, was posted on May 8th, 2017 by the user in the link. It shows something creating a pretty extensive v-shaped wake. It's a shame we cannot get a reference of scale or any context; nevertheless, it is an interesting photograph. These next two were posted by Steven Geis: 1. www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=455036684674777&set=p.455036684674777&type=1&opaqueCursor=AbrFs9F-1MfZVnjdp08fPWpP0taYPDVRyrduZeixYjhHH4G4e22fjFtt0GNoJQ5Pt3cau8XYfn0D9EVZkxmCL31LTQzwarM0dP_-hBkQl2sPbZeu-g88XwBYLGHed-Nsy0xw2U1yLmamzt7U6Aqspgr-52iWIQRtczQZXNeNxid4qyhvVSeoZV-PE7_f_jrxMpY6-xJhx5IR90S90vowaGTeZA_ZUWAJGpTQwDX3aMMeZMZShdW0q75wBskqXusUTl_KyHYLuc2ObYHZgbwyf7K0-0RUqTJIivvUHzEMj5xUyF7I209JwOA8WZy2NI6JKYRQerYvIE1Oo87jeQw2AchB-LYJ-ZniZJyIVe6h3EyEvSnfBrcfhARrY4DDZSkTpYgLuj4PAY8bI1zlivgxZqAJ&theater What: All I can tell is that there are three, elongated...somethings in the water. They look interesting, but they could just be bisecting boat wakes. The next by Geis is: www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=546218135556631&set=p.546218135556631&type=1&opaqueCursor=Abol60YtQrgP5dg-wb0CAgDbH13b8DzbGSvxz7VFHupER1ccO5voxDNlBUiBdY9HmOWbGnhuckuEnV0_qSitxmIVw72wpkI574Zvoq-MYNqnE3X68-eKERSdXEQq_7B2cvR-lP25aDrHLTfjIIRccYhL-ezCsWuLNgiVx4qXnhA6JSFU87ub_HV1XQe1NB6lP0DJG9e6CJYe6cYNZsRVp5WZ5sE3Gz3FYLn0PzcyJ8C9fMkjVfvOz7JaSXju0_Jt7GPHTxB3_SBErIBiRW_WUfsxWdzmkR9ZaRSxhuiwOATj76je9vKCnapai-kSDUCKDvaPBOweTmhSbKj4jYXvfRM0ngNnPGP_xzB8PDJ2ejAs_P-3Kk9db7EwZ9Zd6areqp9FXO4FIIh_iibBQzRWJ6EQqX_cyp1UaZpbAqkHTjFN1DK5f2Pqv4C73_LOiQMM8THKrWevGDthg6YKvu9hY480&theaterWhat: Okay, so now we have some more context for this photo and the last one (btw, this is the same photograph as the last one, but with slightly more info-context given to us). It was seen in August 2015 and from Knox Mountain which I live near to. Interestingly, the first disturbance seems to be turning somewhat as there is a a slight crescent or curve to it's shape. It's above the other two disturbances. UPDATe: And, just when I thought I found everything I could dig up here are these two pictures from Flickr which look quite interesting; they are sequential. Everybody, what are your thoughts? 1. www.flickr.com/photos/2fries/9061081847/2. www.flickr.com/photos/2fries/9061081737/in/photostream/ What do you think of what I have presented here?
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Post by Cryptosaurian on Feb 10, 2019 17:24:05 GMT -5
Hi guys, Happy New Year! Sorry I haven't been on here. I have six courses on the go with an additional driving class during Saturdays. I just want to tell you all I'm in the middle of writing my first non-fiction, cryptozoology book. It's title: Aquatic Cryptozoological Phenomena of the Okanagan! Just one problem: Who should I publish it to?
I'm tempted to go with either Coachwhip Books or Hancock House. What do you guys think?
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Post by Gerry on Apr 18, 2020 16:50:16 GMT -5
I thought that Hancock was out of the publishing business when it came to Cryptos. The big chief would rather document his eagles instead!
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Post by okleviathan on Jul 5, 2022 18:17:16 GMT -5
Bummer! Oh well, there are other publishers.
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