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Post by thomassteenburg on Nov 17, 2012 22:19:30 GMT -5
Sebastian, what the... Thomas Steenburg
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Post by Richard on Nov 18, 2012 13:07:11 GMT -5
Sebastian, what the... Thomas Steenburg Same as it ever was .... ;D
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Post by bigfoothunter on Nov 18, 2012 13:34:07 GMT -5
I was hoping that because the topic of hoaxing Vs real evidence is important to many of us that somehow the responses could stay on point and serious. The ridiculous rant that Zolie posted was a look into the mindset of those individuals who get all bent out of shape when someone calls into question the evidence they present or in his case - fabricate! Instead of just admitting they got caught up in the moment or were just pranking around when they shouldn't have, they ignore the fact that they were seen by various people who watched them attempt to hoax others. They then dig in their heels and take the position that everyone is a liar but themselves which only separates themselves from the rest of us even farther, especially those who watched them with their own eyes ... and that is most unfortunate. Just once it would be nice to hear them say 'Ok ... I screwed up' as that would be a step in the right direction.
I wish that Sebastian's post would have stayed more on point and he had left the silly song lyrics and video out of it. A simple link to the video was enough as I suspect that most people who will eventually see this stuff on the Internet are not going to ever read what could be seen as silly foolishness. I think that a better effort should be made to hold to a higher standard of debate and force someone like Zolie to come up a few notches rather than others lowering the bar to the level he brought in his response.
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Post by Jason C. on Nov 18, 2012 15:45:51 GMT -5
I think that a better effort should be made to hold to a higher standard of debate and force someone like Zolie to come up a few notches rather than others lowering the bar to the level he brought in his response. Respectfully Bill, these people you are arguing with are mentally off. I do not say that to be mean or hateful towards them. I say it because it is readily apparent. Personally, I feel pity. As I understand it, the people involved in perpetrating these hoaxing attempts are not evil people. In fact, Thomas even mentioned at least one as being likeable. Mental illness is not funny. These people have a medical condition, and although it appears that none of them represent a danger to themselves or others -- they need help. They can't think logically, therefore to try and argue with these people is a meaningless waste of time. To think that we can change their behavior through logical argument and discussion would be delusional on our part!The facts involving these events are out there. Let's close the thread and do something constructive. You mentioned planning a group trip and/or expedition -- let's do that! Respectfully, Jason
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Post by sebastian on Nov 18, 2012 16:48:38 GMT -5
Bill, you are missing the point! My method is to fight fire with fire, same goes silliness.
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Post by Gerry on Nov 18, 2012 19:06:15 GMT -5
I really see no point in carrying this on. There can be no resolving it by both parties. And nor should there be. People are free to be, or do, whatever they wish. We are also free not to choose to indulge them. And seeing that this is a forum created to be a place for sane, logical, discussion of a creature which has no characteristics, or habits, except for the ones, with which, we endow upon it, I think that we must be careful about assumptions, presumptions and wild flights of fantasy. Time to bring the subject back to the ground, once more.
So by popular demand I am reopening this thread. But reserve the option to close it permanently if is not being a productive endeavor.
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Post by bigfoothunter on Nov 21, 2012 13:42:33 GMT -5
These researchers always....always...forget to take a picture! No wait..there was a head on a stump! Guess that showed me! It isn't hard to believe that someone maybe someone saw a Sasquatch once, but didn' thave a camera with them because they were doing something in an area that didn't have anything to do with Sasquatch, but when you claim to be out looking for Sasquatch and you are claiming multiple sightings and yet you cannot bother to come up with a good image of the subject, well it shouldn't be a surprise when others start to question whether a Sasquatch was ever seen at all. The stump photo's do not hold water based on Brison's own accounting. One such example was Randy's story changing from 'once the Sasquatch ducked behind the stump and he took a third photo of just the stump whereas it hissed and Randy immediate fled from the area' to his later version of his observing it run off through the forest (no photo of this ofcourse) ... little alarms should be going off. Is it not fair to say that the truth should not have two opposite versions ... I think so. But I want to point out some of the things said on the Brian Bland internet show to see if anyone has any insight on them. As far as what Randy says being considered gospel ... years after this being mentioned in another thread where Erickson's own response proved Brisson to be saying things that he knew or should have known to be untrue, Randy is still pushing false propaganda ... this time on his Facebook page. Brisson quoted from Facebook: "I agree, Thanks, You notice when I mention their names on here they want that thread closed down, They wanted to be in the Erickson Project, Adrian said no, They have since gone on to lie and make nuts up" This is a capture of an email that I recieved from Erickson (himself) in August of 2010 that proves that even today Brisson is not telling people the true facts. (see image) Now having set the record staright once again ... On to the Brian Bland interview. Has anyone been to the area Randy and Brian speak of on the show and had rocks thrown at them ... without Randy present? Has anyone had a Sasquatch contact them whether it be through thought waves or in person telling them to go to another area of the Park? Has anyone heard a Sasquatch speaking to one another in English? Just wondering.
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Post by Gerry on Nov 21, 2012 19:12:43 GMT -5
Well now, in the Sierra Sounds they are said to be speaking samurai 'jabbering'! Thom Powell thinks they speak mentally! Most indian tribes believe that they have their own dialect! But here in BC they speak english? The mind boggles at the capabilities of these globe trotting hominids!
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Post by bigfoothunter on Nov 23, 2012 13:29:40 GMT -5
I agree with your position, Jason. However, my references to the hoaxing was to merely report it for enough people caught him that there is nothing to argue about. It wasn't until hearing Brian Bland talking about being with Brisson and describing the same sort of things happening that the BFRO group and Thomas witnessed him doing that caused me to start this thread.
On one thing that Brisson has recently said on his Facebook page, if true, then I support his frustrations, but not his remarks about causing bodily harm to others. Here is what Randy posted on the Internet, "They bring up my name, along with other friends, They dont even know, If they talk about my Beautiful Wife ever again, I will personally Rip there F%#king Heads off. And I dont care who knows." Brisson doesn't say exactly what was said or by whom, but a careful reading of threads here that pertain to his getting caught hoaxing by Steenburg and the BFRO, I am happy to find that the only reference to his wife was the one found on Erickson web page where it was written that she too has had several sightings of Sasquatch. That page particular has been removed and re-done since the start of this thread. So far the only vulgar remarks that I have come across have been made by Brisson himself.
Another Brisson remark: "Maby my Native side will come out, and I can put a Arrow in them." So yes, Jason ... I agree that this individual may not be all there and apparently has a problem controlling himself.
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Post by Sean V. on Dec 9, 2012 23:06:09 GMT -5
FACT 1: Thomas Steenburg, Bill Miller and their gang are snivelling liars. They are headed for a truckload of litigation for the libel and slander against The Erickson Project, Melba Ketchum, Randy Brisson. Steenburg and Miller will pay big time legally and financially, and if they have nothing maybe jail time is in order. We are recording every slander and libel. Ah, yes. The tired old threats of legal action. These have been tossed back and forth on various Bigfoot/Sasquatch forums since they first appeared on the internet. Give it a rest. The only fact here is that you don't have a leg to stand on and you know it, so you tried (and failed) to intimidate people with blatantly transparent threats.
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Post by bigfoothunter on Dec 10, 2012 1:24:11 GMT -5
Ah, yes. The tired old threats of legal action. These have been tossed back and forth on various Bigfoot/Sasquatch forums since they first appeared on the internet. Give it a rest. The only fact here is that you don't have a leg to stand on and you know it, so you tried (and failed) to intimidate people with blatantly transparent threats. They get caught hoaxing and then make threats as if that will make people cower in fear. One of the screwballs went as far as to call my business number and left a threatening message which only makes me that much more certain that those who caught them hoaxing were telling the truth. Their mentality is like that of some uneducated thug. Brisson said, "I see Bigfoot Evidence is talking crap talk about me, There is no Hoaxing going on here ever. Lindsay, Thomas Steenburg, and his Girl friend, Bill Miller, These fat lying Turds need to be flushed down the Toilet once and for all. Soon I am Sure." Elsewhere Brisson wrote, "They bring up my name, along with other friends, They dont even know, If they talk about my Beautiful Wife ever again, I will personally Rip there F#@king Heads off. And I dont care who knows." (Brisson makes no mention as what has been said about his wife or where it can be found. The only reference I could find was where it had been written on Erickson's web page that Randy's wife has had several sightings. That reference has since been removed from Erickson's site.) Zolie referenced Steenburg as living in a shack as if that somehow demeans a person's integrity. This is the type of minset that these individuals posess. I have heard of a physical handicap Randy has that we would never be so low as to use it to try and make him appear to be less of a person. As Thomas says - 'Stick to the facts and never deviate from the facts'. We believe in holding a higher standard of debating the evidence than attempting to make threats like some school yard bully. And again Brisson wrote on Facebook, "Maby my Native side will come out, and I can put a Arrow in them. like the old days." Brisson and his inabilty to control himself is most likely what got him caught throwing rocks in the first place. In himself he can find his own worse enemy in my view.
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Post by Gerry on Dec 10, 2012 22:46:22 GMT -5
Conversation is starting to run around in circles again..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 16:41:38 GMT -5
You Rubes need to just get off the arm chair and open your third eye and perhaps get out in the woods LOL
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 17:18:00 GMT -5
FACT 1: Thomas Steenburg, Bill Miller and their gang are snivelling liars. They are headed for a truckload of litigation for the libel and slander against The Erickson Project, Melba Ketchum, Randy Brisson. Steenburg and Miller will pay big time legally and financially, and if they have nothing maybe jail time is in order. We are recording every slander and libel. I presume that you have some proof of your statements? Where is the libel and what is the slander? They claim that a group of people went for a walk in the woods and one, or maybe two, was seen to throw rocks! Judge Judy would have a 'field day' with that one! Much the same as 'your' experiences it appears! Or do you have proof that you are waiting to present to the world of pining sasquatch enthusiast!? Actually Bill lives in an A frame in Harrison. And to my knowledge, neither of them has ever owned a jeep! Confirmed them to be what? Unidentified species? That has been done since the 60's. You need actual sasquatch DNA..to compare to any other DNA which might be brought in, in order to say that you have sasquatch DNA. Any 12 year old knows this. Audio recordings prove nothing! They just reflect sounds. They do not prove that those noises came from any purported creature. If this shaky proof is in Brisson's hands then why is he holding this vital information back? And who might be qualified to verify whatever this evidence might be? What are their credentials ? Erickson surely has none of the above? [It is nice to know that this is an altruistic venture to help in researching this mystery and not a money grab! By the way? Who is going to publish this journal? As for a 'one two' punch in the head? These people know what they know. Based on logic and common sense. "Jabbering trolls"?? Your post here is more in line with such a statement. Zoli! I do not know what happened to you? Every since you started drinking the Robert Kennedy 'kool aid' you have been winging out further and further! Get you feet back on the ground Bud! You are heading down a path of ridicule. But, I know that you are a big boy and can take care of yourself. ( I suggest that you start doing so..) There are good causes..and then there are just 'bummers' that you will never forget! This is one of them! LOL looks like a jeep to me =) scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/v/t1.0-9/4669_108413521557_7134502_n.jpg?oh=1c5d597d3fa82aa8c1cfcce746d56494&oe=567EBB39
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Post by billr on Aug 18, 2015 19:34:09 GMT -5
Too bad it is not a jeep but a Suzuki
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