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Post by bigfoothunter on Oct 25, 2012 23:02:51 GMT -5
Interesting that Bland joined the forum just 6 minutes prior to his post ... his intuition must be suffering at this time.
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Post by billr on Oct 26, 2012 1:09:22 GMT -5
No the next trick is to register as someone else then come to his own defense as that alternate id
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Post by bigfoothunter on Nov 4, 2012 19:51:03 GMT -5
Anyone know who Thom Cantrall is? He somehow got inspired to send me this Facebook message about this thread .... Cantrall: "It has come to my attention you are attacking Brian Bland and Randy Brisson ... if you are, cease at once" Not knowing who Cantrall is, I found this interview of him whereas he, like Brisson, claims to have had multiple Sasquatch sightings - the creatures use sign language with their hands - and to see one, all one needs to do is set in a chair in an area where they have been seen and they will come to you. (see link) www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijv7Th3aAsQ It didn't take long for me to see why Cantrall called for a halt in attacking Brisson. It seems that he latest fad going around is to proclaim being a Sasquatch expert by simply saying you have seen Sasquatch many times in the past because you are somehow one of the chosen ones and people who Sasquatch do not want to seen by are kept out of the loop so-to-speak. (sigh) I believe the reporter talking to Cantrall was suspicious of this tactic as she touched on it when replying to his claim about her also being in the forest a lot in her life and never seeing a Sasquatch. Simply mind-boggling!
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Post by sebastian on Nov 7, 2012 18:39:27 GMT -5
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Post by bigfoothunter on Nov 13, 2012 9:48:05 GMT -5
Either Bland is a gullible fool or else he is also hoaxing. For instance, he said that he was splashing water on his face while at a stream when a rock lands close by, but doesn't see from where it came. (I bet I know who threw it!) Then Brisson is said to have told Bland later on that he caught a glimpse of the Sasquatch who threw the rock, but didn't tell Bland at the time so not to scare Brian. (Anyone buying that load of nonsense?) So let us think about this ... Bland allegedly goes looking for Sasquatch with proven hoaxer and the hoaxer tells him that he saw a Sasquatch on their outing but didn't say anything so not to scare Bland who is out there wanting to see a Sasquatch. (Have they no shame!!!) If Bland wishes to know the truth, then let him go into the same area without Brisson along or knowing when Brian is going and then see how many rocks get tossed.
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Post by Jason C. on Nov 13, 2012 15:12:14 GMT -5
Anyone know who Thom Cantrall is? He somehow got inspired to send me this Facebook message about this thread.... Cantrall is a wanna-be author and confessed sasquatch expert. His claim to fame is a self-published fictional book that mixes neo-nazis and bigfoot. Two subjects near and dear to the people of Idaho. The book that can be found on Amazon with a five-star rating and review. But it is important to note that Cantrall himself is the ONLY person to ever review his book. What author is his right mind would review and rate his own book on Amazon? (Now don't get any ideas Thomas! ) Attachments:
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Post by bigfoothunter on Nov 16, 2012 1:03:34 GMT -5
There certainly seems to be a correlation of subtle beliefs that the Sasquatch is a form of human being coming from those people claiming constant contacts with the Sasquatch ... after all are we not being told that the Sasquatch can even speak english and presumably in the correct tense when greeting each other. (sigh)
However these individuals also share the inability to see the contradictions they continually make which makes their stories even more unbelievable. For instance, when the rocks were allegedly being thrown by a Sasquatch during the hike on the day Brisson was caught red-handed by the group who accompanied him through Golden ears Park, Randy didn't show fear according to those who were there, but when one of the hikers (Dave) saw Randy through the thermal lens tossing a rock when he and Zollie were at Darcy's vehicle, Randy was said to have put on a bad acting job of trying to all of a sudden appear scared. This position contadicts a previousone where Randy was said to have admitted to Bland of his catching an earlier glimpse of the Sasquatch, but just didn't tell Brian so not to scare him.
Another instance that I recall being told about was when Randy and Zollie were beside each other and Zollie was witnessed by two people kicking a stone with his foot and then immediately acting like he was startled. One witness (Thomas) saw it happen from behind and another (Cindy) was standing just off the trail ahead of the group. So when it is referenced that there is a certain correlation within this small cult of constant Sasquatch sign and/or contact, it is not done without some serious thought.
Complicate these types of past behaviors to things like someone seeing the movement of the Sasquatch in the bush and not saying anything at the time .... to we never got a recording of the Sasquatch chatter because a grain of sand must have got caught in the record button. One finds this hard to swallow and has certainly it deserves well deserved skepticism from others. Then pile on alleged Sasquatch language being heard from sounding like gobbly-gook to perfect english. I must say that I don't know whether to feel anger or pity for the authors of such claims.
I really do not know why some folks do what they do and they certainly are entitled to set their bar as high or low to the ground as they like. But at the same time others have the right to our own opinions as well. This doesn't mean that the person or persons are bad people ... but rather misguided. For the rest of us ... we will continue to exercise our right to call into question things that do not add up. At least our behavior doesn't cost people 100's of dollars to investigate what they thought was a sincere set of events only to find that they were being played for fools from the onset.
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Post by thomassteenburg on Nov 16, 2012 8:42:17 GMT -5
It seems 'Ivan Marks Syndrome', is still going strong in Golden ears park? Here below for those of you who have never seen it is a copy of my file report concerning some of the hoaxing which was exposed that day.
Hoax in Golden Ears Park
FILE#10166 LOCATION; Golden Ears Park, Maple Ridge, B.C. DATE: July 20th, 2009 @ Many other occurrences over the last six years REPORT BY: Thomas Steenburg
I really don't want to get into the long history of these two individuals. Suffice to say that their attempt to pull the wood over my eyes this past Tuesday, July 20th, 2009 was pathetic to say the lest. 5 members of the B.C. Chapter of the B.F.R.O. also got to see this nonsense first hand. The sad thing about all this is that Mr. Brissons original reports of 2005 may have indeed been true? But after all this nothing he claims can be taken seriously until he decides to change his behavior.
I was already aware of fake photo's showing a head behind a large old growth tree stump, which Randy claimed to have shot last May? He didn't seem to sure of the date when I asked him about it? But during this days 3 Kilometer walk through the trees the rock throwing, or to be more accurate the small stone throwing, always seem to occur the few times Randy was able to slip behind or to the side just out of site for a moment. Then on quo they both would, "What was that"! Or "Did you hear that"? This occurred on a number of instances along the trail even before we met up with the B.F.R.O. team already there. From that moment on I did my best to try and keep Randy ahead of myself on the trial. And consulted with Darcy and David of the B.F.R.O. team, Between we decided to make sure someone was behind Randy at all times. Also Cindy was advised to. The other researcher whom at this point I was unsure if he was in on the games or a gullible victim. Seemed to want the group to split up? He said the smaller the better? O.K I will give him that. Though it must be pointed out that only the group with these two had stones thrown while the other 200 yards behind or so had no such incidents! It was during this time that the other researcher, (Zolie) suddenly did the old startled shuffle with "Was that a rock"! Kicking stones on the ground with his foot? Can't say if the stones were intentionally kicked but this was done twice, and he must of known from my reaction that I wasn't buying it! Also on this incident unknown to them Cindy had walked ahead of the group and was sitting on the trailside waiting for us to catch up! Zolie didn't know she was sitting there when he suddenly did the old "Was that a rock" foot shuffle with her sitting there only about 30 feet ahead! She told me that she saw nothing and he just seemed to do this for nothing? Well by this point all were feeling that this was some sort of show being played and enough was enough. But as we were about to step off the trail and re cross the main road another stone this time struck a trail side tree with a loud Wang! Like a pitchers fastball and I observed Randy throw the stone, (I was looking right at him), then bring his right hand back from behind his back and place it back in his right hand pants pocket? This was the only time he managed to get behind David. David was sure from the sound motion coming from Randy that the stone was thrown by him. But just to be sure Cindy quickly went back on the trail, which switched back at this point, thus resulted in only a few hundred yards of bush between us and the trail we were on. David the mountain goat that he is went into the bush; on course nothing was heard or seen. It was a big mistake to throw this last stone on his part! At no time up till I left for home did any of us let on that we knew a hoax was being played out. Later the two went back to join the B.F.R.O. team for some night watching. The team whom had planed to stay for another night in Golden Ears were so put off by all the games that they decided to leave the next day for the Ruby Creek area.
There are other factors as well, Tracks, tree branch stuff and more of which I will not go into at this time. Nor can I comment about other stuff which I was not there to witness occurring when others were out with the these two. But on Tuesday July 20, 2009 the stone throwing claimed by these two fellows to be Sasquatch related was a hoax perpetrated by one or maybe even both of them!
Thomas Steenburg
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Post by Zoli on Nov 16, 2012 16:09:53 GMT -5
FACT 1: Thomas Steenburg, Bill Miller and their gang are snivelling liars. They are headed for a truckload of litigation for the libel and slander against The Erickson Project, Melba Ketchum, Randy Brisson. Steenburg and Miller will pay big time legally and financially, and if they have nothing maybe jail time is in order. We are recording every slander and libel.
FACT 2: Steenburg and Miller have never had any interaction with a Sasquatch which makes their opinions worthless to those who have experienced the elusive bipeds. They have spent their lives stuck in old 70’s and 80’s sighting reports. These self appointed researchers have nothing original and no evidence and zero results. They are the sham and a hoax. They are in the dark and fading fast as far as proving the existence of Sasquatch. They are on the outside looking in at those who will finally get it done. Most of their Squatching experience consists of sitting in a shack in a lumber mill looking around on the internet and driving an old jeep to sighting locations that are months and years old.
FACT 3: Randy has confirmed DNA hair samples, video and audio recordings to back up everything.
FACT 4: The Erickson project is a multi-million dollar research endeavour. The research results have been verified by those qualified to do so. That is why we are contributors to the Erickson Project and to Melba Ketchum’s DNA Project.
FACT 5: When Ketchum’s DNA Project Journal is published then the Sasquatch the Quest documentary will be released. This will result in a one-two punch in the head for Thomas Steenburg and Bill Miller and the other lying and jabbering trolls.
I would never jepoardize my honesty and integrity by kicking a stone, that is a load of bull. If Randy threw a stone then why did Cindy and the other guy run into the woods in the direction it came from. I have gone on numerous trips with others and watched Randy and never once saw him throw a stone. Randy is the real deal and a man of integrity.
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Post by Richard on Nov 16, 2012 16:35:19 GMT -5
FACT: You are not showing any to prove your points.
So unless you have some damn good evidence to support your claims, I would be quiet if I were you.
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Post by Gerry on Nov 16, 2012 21:01:00 GMT -5
FACT 1: Thomas Steenburg, Bill Miller and their gang are snivelling liars. They are headed for a truckload of litigation for the libel and slander against The Erickson Project, Melba Ketchum, Randy Brisson. Steenburg and Miller will pay big time legally and financially, and if they have nothing maybe jail time is in order. We are recording every slander and libel. I presume that you have some proof of your statements? Where is the libel and what is the slander? They claim that a group of people went for a walk in the woods and one, or maybe two, was seen to throw rocks! Judge Judy would have a 'field day' with that one! Much the same as 'your' experiences it appears! Or do you have proof that you are waiting to present to the world of pining sasquatch enthusiast!? Actually Bill lives in an A frame in Harrison. And to my knowledge, neither of them has ever owned a jeep! Confirmed them to be what? Unidentified species? That has been done since the 60's. You need actual sasquatch DNA..to compare to any other DNA which might be brought in, in order to say that you have sasquatch DNA. Any 12 year old knows this. Audio recordings prove nothing! They just reflect sounds. They do not prove that those noises came from any purported creature. If this shaky proof is in Brisson's hands then why is he holding this vital information back? And who might be qualified to verify whatever this evidence might be? What are their credentials ? Erickson surely has none of the above? [It is nice to know that this is an altruistic venture to help in researching this mystery and not a money grab! By the way? Who is going to publish this journal? As for a 'one two' punch in the head? These people know what they know. Based on logic and common sense. "Jabbering trolls"?? Your post here is more in line with such a statement. Zoli! I do not know what happened to you? Every since you started drinking the Robert Kennedy 'kool aid' you have been winging out further and further! Get you feet back on the ground Bud! You are heading down a path of ridicule. But, I know that you are a big boy and can take care of yourself. ( I suggest that you start doing so..) There are good causes..and then there are just 'bummers' that you will never forget! This is one of them!
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Post by thomassteenburg on Nov 16, 2012 21:19:09 GMT -5
FACT 1: Thomas Steenburg, Bill Miller and their gang are snivelling liars. They are headed for a truckload of litigation for the libel and slander against The Erickson Project, Melba Ketchum, Randy Brisson. Steenburg and Miller will pay big time legally and financially, and if they have nothing maybe jail time is in order. We are recording every slander and libel. FACT 2: Steenburg and Miller have never had any interaction with a Sasquatch which makes their opinions worthless to those who have experienced the elusive bipeds. They have spent their lives stuck in old 70’s and 80’s sighting reports. These self appointed researchers have nothing original and no evidence and zero results. They are the sham and a hoax. They are in the dark and fading fast as far as proving the existence of Sasquatch. They are on the outside looking in at those who will finally get it done. Most of their Squatching experience consists of sitting in a shack in a lumber mill looking around on the internet and driving an old jeep to sighting locations that are months and years old. FACT 3: Randy has confirmed DNA hair samples, video and audio recordings to back up everything. FACT 4: The Erickson project is a multi-million dollar research endeavour. The research results have been verified by those qualified to do so. That is why we are contributors to the Erickson Project and to Melba Ketchum’s DNA Project. FACT 5: When Ketchum’s DNA Project Journal is published then the Sasquatch the Quest documentary will be released. This will result in a one-two punch in the head for Thomas Steenburg and Bill Miller and the other lying and jabbering trolls. I would never jepoardize my honesty and integrity by kicking a stone, that is a load of bull. If Randy threw a stone then why did Cindy and the other guy run into the woods in the direction it came from. I have gone on numerous trips with others and watched Randy and never once saw him throw a stone. Randy is the real deal and a man of integrity. Fact 1 Make my day. Fact 2 I have never claimed to have any interaction with a sasquatch. That is true. In 34 years I have perhaps had 1 sighting and that may have been a man as far as I am concerned. I guess one can conclude one thing for sure. Steenburg does not hoax. Fact 3 How do you define the term confirmed? Fact 4 The Erickson Project WAS a million dollar endeavor. It seems to have stalled pretty badly. Common sense tells you that any DNA study had better be able to trace what ever example being used to something more than someone saying it came from a Sasquatch. Fact 5 Lying jabbering trolls. Tisk. Tisk. That would be about 98 percent of people whom have any interest in this subject at all. Your integrity? Well if you chose to be taken in by hoaxing and game playing that is your right. It is a free country. But I will put up my reputation and integrity in this field against yours any day of the week. Stick to the facts and call them as I see them. And what I saw from you that day was a bad impersonation of Bart Simpsons little dance when Side Show Bob came on to the house boat. It took a lot of will power not to laugh, and I wasn't the only one who thought so. But I guess we were all lying and the only ones who were honest that day were you and Randy. OK think that way if you like and I will continue to state the facts as I saw them. I will tell you this though If myself or Bill Miller or any of the 5 members of the BFRO whom also witnessed the antics of July 20 2009 ever have, how did you put it, "A interaction with a Sasquatch" We will at least have 1 good photo to back up such a claim. Thomas Steenburg
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Post by Gerry on Nov 16, 2012 21:32:13 GMT -5
These researchers always....always...forget to take a picture! No wait..there was a head on a stump! Guess that showed me!
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Post by bigfoothunter on Nov 16, 2012 21:32:19 GMT -5
I can say that I am of the opinion that Zolie doesn't know the first thing about the law. For instance:
slan·der/ˈslandər/ Noun: The action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation
Brisson was seen throwing rocks by witnesses who were independent of one another. In other words - each had their own moment that they had personally witnessed. However, two people at the same time and from different directions saw Zolie kick the rock. So they all are lying ... or Zolie is way off base and knows it.
I can say this ... the BFRO people involved wanted what Randy had been claiming to be true. These people came from a long ways off to be there and they were not happy to witness the things that they did. I know from my own conversations with Jason and Darcy that they thought Randy was onto something in that area and I gathered that they were hurt and felt foolish when they busted Randy because they were confronted with their faith being misplaced in him. Darcy was said to have apologized to two of the people who came from the Island and wasted the ferry fees coming out with the group only to find they had been played.
As for me, I was not there, but have talked to each member who saw the hoaxing being done and I have said that I believe them. I also have said that I think the alleged Sasquatch at the stump photo Randy had taken was a sham. I have posted where Randy's version of that story has changed.
Libel is a civil matter which can be won or lost by only a propondreance of the evidence. Multiple witnesses go a long way in civil matters.
Erickson has no beef as we are entitled to believe that if he has relied on known hoaxers, then his evidence is suspect before its even presented which takes me to the next point - Erickson has not presented any real evidence for us to evaluate, thus he isn't even in the picture at this time.
The same applies with Ketchum's report.
The above isn't hardly worth the breath to speak out about it. I guess Zolie hasn't read a newspaper or watched the news since the 80's as Thomas has investigated sightings and been in the media as late as only a month ago.
I must say however that I do have to smile though when Zolie talks about libel to only then say things about others which can easily be shown to be untrue.
DNA of what? Confirmed to be what?
The Ericson Project for the past several years has been as clouded in mystery as the Sasquatch. I hear its been placed on the back burner ... maybe Zolie can confirm or deny this???
Ketchum's report will have no bearing on what was witnessed at Golden Ear's Park and it's asinine to state otherwise.
Yeah right ... and no one in prison is ever guilty either or so they say.
As far as Cindy or Dave running towards where they were told the stones came from ... perhaps at that point they hadn't caught anyone hoaxing. I bet they were not chasing stones by the end of the outing.
This is what I would expect Zolie to say as I am reminded of being at Valenti's when Biscardi phoned Jason about the alleged Kentucky Bigfoot in the freezer - that he (Biscardi) had just seen it - that he touched its foot and found it to be real - and that the Georgia Boys dead Sasquatch was the real deal! This was the moment that Biscardi chose to become part of the hoax.
I think I have made my point!
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Post by sebastian on Nov 17, 2012 16:15:57 GMT -5
People took the money and ran. No show at the conference and powerpointed some first page textbook stuff instead. Lab now being relocated, name changed and had nothing to do with the stuff before. Facebook status update said relic hominid. Then, Facebook friends who asked too much got deleted right the way. Nice Deoxyribonucleic Acid project. Academic my behind.
And to the other guy, I sum up the whole story in one song:
You may find yourself living in a shotgun shack You may find yourself in another part of the world You may find yourself behind the wheel of a large automobile You may find yourself in a beautiful house with a beautiful wife You may ask yourself, well, how did I get here? Letting the days go by, let the water hold me down Letting the days go by, water flowing underground Into the blue again after the money's gone Once in a lifetime, water flowing underground You may ask yourself, how do I work this? You may ask yourself, where is that large automobile? You may tell yourself, this is not my beautiful house You may tell yourself, this is not my beautiful wife Letting the days go by, let the water hold me down Letting the days go by, water flowing underground Into the blue again, after the money's gone Once in a lifetime, water flowing underground Same as it ever was, same as it ever was, same as it ever was, same as it ever was Same as it ever was, same as it ever was, same as it ever was, same as it ever was
Water dissolving and water removing There is water at the bottom of the ocean Remove the water, carry the water Remove the water from the bottom of the ocean Letting the days go by, let the water hold me down Letting the days go by, water flowing underground Into the blue again, after the money's gone Once in a lifetime, water flowing underground Into the blue again, into silent water Under the rocks and stones, there is water underground Letting the days go by, into silent water Once in a lifetime, water flowing underground You may ask yourself, what is that beautiful house? You may ask yourself, where does that highway lead to? You may ask yourself, am I right, am I wrong? You may say to yourself, my god, what have I done? Letting the days go by, let the water hold me down Letting the days go by, water flowing underground Into the blue again, after the money's gone Once in a lifetime, water flowing underground Into the blue again, into silent water Under the rocks and stones, there is water underground Letting the days go by, into silent water Once in a lifetime, water flowing underground Same as it ever was, same as it ever was, same as it ever was, same as it ever was Same as it ever was, same as it ever was, same as it ever was, same as it ever was
Time isn't holding us, time isn't after us Time isn't holding us, time doesn't hold you back Time isn't holding us, time isn't after us Time isn't holding us... Letting the days go by, letting the days go by, letting the days go by, once in a lifetime (?) Letting the days go by, letting the days go by, letting the days go by, once in a lifetime
"My god! What have I done?"
~nice project
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