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Post by westerncanadian on Sept 30, 2012 14:21:01 GMT -5
Last weekend John Green spoke at the Kilby Legends Day about a significant track find at Elbe, Washington. Thomas Steenburg confirmed that such tracks had been discovered. As is is my way of doing things, I followed this up and was able to examine numerous photos of the tracks. I was troubled immediately. First we do no know the name of the informant who found the tracks and second the only communication with the informant has been by email. That is red flag number one. Red flag number two is that the tracks look blockish and unnatural. Other investigators disagree with me, but that is their right to do so. I could not accept them as being real so I have not posted anything about them. Today I heard that Cliff Barackman has reached the same conclusion. See here: www.northamericanbigfoot.com/2012/09/the-elbe-wa-trackway.htmlDespite the excitement generated by so many well-known sasquatch investigators it appears that someone has staged a spectacular hoax. Let this be an object lessen to us to not get too enthusiastic about this sort of thing. Despite this trackway being fake I still hold the London, Oregon trackway is real. There is still hope yet. |
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billr
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Post by billr on Sept 30, 2012 15:11:49 GMT -5
Speaking just for myself here, I think that if a witness will not allow an investigator to at least talk to them over the phone, the report goes into file 13.
I believe that e-mail may be a great way to initiate contact but at some point personal communication is a must
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duallie
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Post by duallie on Sept 30, 2012 18:09:42 GMT -5
what made anybody believe them to be real to begin with?
this is why i think all and every supposed evidence should be first viewed with suspicion.
assume it is fake first.
then, if it keeps passing each following question, then it will build some credibility.
but, unfortunately, everybody usually gets super-excited right away and every new "sighting" or "footprints" gets attention.
when are people going to question why we still are no further ahead in the search for bf?
in fact, we seem to be going backward.
still no body, no video proof, no great picture, nothing.
just simple hope and belief.
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billr
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Post by billr on Sept 30, 2012 23:35:21 GMT -5
I think believing everything is a fake before investigating is just as bad as believing everything is real.
Imo an investigator needs to let the evidence lead him to a conclusion.
I don't believe sasquatch exist, but I would be wasting my time if I made up my mind before investigating something
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Post by bigfoothunter on Oct 1, 2012 13:02:57 GMT -5
Because I have seen a Sasquatch in broad daylight above Harrison Lake ... I have no choice but to say they do exist. I am not 100% certain what they are, but I have a strong opinion about where they have come from.
The point you made in the previous post is a most sensible one. On another forum there is this screw-ball/troll named Kitakaze who made a statement that he didn't believe that any of the tracks at Elbe showed toe movement. His conclusion came from only seeing a few photographs and having not gone to the site to see what others who have been there had reported. This persons bar for 'responsible investigation' before reaching a conclusion could not be seen any lower if it was laying on the ground.
Skepticism is healthy and thorough investigation is admireable in my view.
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Post by westerncanadian on Oct 10, 2012 16:15:30 GMT -5
Kitakaze does not even warrant mentioning. This boaster says he knows who has the suit from the Patterson film. That so? BS. Since there was no suit in the film, no one could possibly have it. I have seen his postings on the Blue Creek mountain tracks and his idea of logic resembles a pretzel - twisted. Better to forget this clown.
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Post by bigfoothunter on Oct 11, 2012 7:05:04 GMT -5
Kitakaze does not even warrant mentioning. This boaster says he knows who has the suit from the Patterson film. That so? BS. Since there was no suit in the film, no one could possibly have it. I have seen his postings on the Blue Creek mountain tracks and his idea of logic resembles a pretzel - twisted. Better to forget this clown. Kitakaze is what is known as a forum troll. He gets made a fool of - goes quiet for a while - and then comes back saying the same idiotic remarks as before. He's been banned off several forums for trolling, but the BFF seems to tolerate him. One of his most mornic statements that goes to the crux of just what he is about was when he was asked 'If the creature in Patterson's film was found to be too tall to accomodate Bob Heironimus (which Kitakaze claims was the guy in the suit), Kitakaze responded by saying 'If it was shown that the subject in the Patterson film was too big to be Bob H, then I would just assume that Bob H got his hoax confused with the Patterson film.' |
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Post by Gerry on Oct 26, 2012 22:48:49 GMT -5
I have no problem calling someone out on evidence to back up a claim. And it would have to be compelling evidence! I was not there, so you have to convince me. If you cannot do that with the evidence you have..then you should wait until you do have enough evidence!
If you are just offering up your experience, for what it is worth? Then no foul!
But if you are presenting evidence, which in turn you propose is 'proof' of sasquatch..then for sure I will look at it in the most sceptical manner. Which is as it should be dealt with.
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