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Post by westerncanadian on Apr 25, 2012 3:13:29 GMT -5
I am back from Cottage Grove, Oregon where a team of BCSCC investigators went to look into the 122 tracks that were discovered in a dry lake bed.
We inspected the site and interviewed locals and I am pleased to say the story checks out. We were given a viewing of the casts of the 72 tracks made by Cliff Barackman and there is no doubt these are genuine. Each one is different from the others and there are artifacts that only a real foot could have created.
I will share more here later, but those at the breakfast on Sunday will be able to ask me questions about the tracks.
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Post by Jason C. on Apr 25, 2012 4:17:41 GMT -5
Thanks for the update John.
I know that Cliff had said on his blog that they appeared to be made from a living foot -- but of course he hadn't cleaned them yet.
I was a little worried about their authenticity given the popularity of "Finding Bigfoot". Already the BS videos on YouTube seem to be coming out at a rate of 1 per day.
As Bill Miller said in another thread -- not all publicity, is good publicity.
I am glad that this appears to be the real deal, and that they were captured by an experienced researcher. Now, if we could just get everyone to start using dental stone instead of Ultracal and Hydracal. Given the rain and the water that was at the track site, the expansion of those casts is likely to be significant. Expansion of 1/16 to 1/8th of an inch PER inch is typical when there is additional water used and/or present.
There is a reason the RCMP, FBI, OPP and every other LE agency uses dental stone.
Aloha,
Jason
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Post by vilnoori on Apr 25, 2012 13:38:26 GMT -5
Where do you get dental stone? I haven't yet attempted casting tracks, and missed the tutorial at one of the meets we had.  |
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Post by westerncanadian on Apr 25, 2012 13:50:51 GMT -5
Dental stone is indeed the best and the RCMP uses type three. You can get a literal ton of this stuff for $1,000 so it is not that cheap. One 25 lb box will capture 5 - 7 tracks so 122 will cost you $1,361. That is why very few people can afford it. Hydrocal is way cheaper but it is gypsum based so it is not as good as dental stone.
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Post by Jason C. on Apr 25, 2012 19:59:04 GMT -5
You can get a literal ton of this stuff for $1,000 so it is not that cheap. One 25 lb box will capture 5 - 7 tracks so 122 will cost you $1,361. That is why very few people can afford it. Hydrocal is way cheaper but it is gypsum based so it is not as good as dental stone. I agree John it is more expensive, however I believe the number of tracks found is unusual. Usually it is only Brisson and MacDonald that find such pristine and numerous prints.  With castable tracks being so rare, and usually so few in a track way -- it would be preferable to carry dental stone and use dental stone for what you can -- and then switch to Hydrocal when you run out. And as a note to those that are reading this thread... Use the dental stone for what you think are the most important tracks. The idea is to recover latents (the actual creases and skin ridge patterns of the foot). Respectfully, Jason |
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Post by Jason C. on Apr 25, 2012 20:10:45 GMT -5
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Post by Captain Morgan on Apr 26, 2012 2:45:53 GMT -5
Hi Jason, I'll be bringing 2 HD cameras\camcorders and tripods etc with me this weekend, so maybe we can use some of the time to kill on Saturday to cast if the weather plays nice. We can demo our pasty white feet for utube  Do you already have a micrometer to measure the differences in casts pour with dental stone and hydrocal? I can pick a couple up at Harbor Freight here for cheap. The idea being that the empty track cavity can be measured before the pour, then the cast measured as soon as set and removed, them measured again after fully cured. If we decide to measure, let's snag a box of toothpicks while picking up supplies. |
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Post by westerncanadian on Apr 26, 2012 13:45:44 GMT -5
Has anyone got a 3D cast scanner that measures dimensions? I saw Whitewolf productions use one and wonder if any of our savvy techies on this forum might have one.
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Post by Jason C. on Apr 26, 2012 16:10:09 GMT -5
Hi Jason, I'll be bringing 2 HD cameras\camcorders and tripods etc with me this weekend, so maybe we can use some of the time to kill on Saturday to cast if the weather plays nice. We can demo our pasty white feet for utube Do you already have a micrometer to measure the differences in casts pour with dental stone and hydrocal? I can pick a couple up at Harbor Freight here for cheap. The idea being that the empty track cavity can be measured before the pour, then the cast measured as soon as set and removed, them measured again after fully cured. If we decide to measure, let's snag a box of toothpicks while picking up supplies. Dental stone works in the rain -- even underwater -- so I will be filming a practice cast. I do have a micrometer, but we don't need to bring it. I will measure my shoe at home and compare with the cast when it is cured. Do you have Hydrocal? We just need about 8 lbs for testing (about 4 lbs per footprint). I will be bringing dental stone. And YOU might want to cast your pasty white feet, but I am just going to do a shoe so I can accurately demonstrate expansion, etc. for the video. No need to get dirty. John Kirk wrote:No. That would be cool though. |
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Post by hotdog on Apr 26, 2012 17:58:00 GMT -5
How long does it take for dental stone to set up? I've used a product from any Home Depot or Rona store called Aqua Tite, Aquaplug, or Aqua Seal. It's intended to seal water leaks in concrete even if there's water flowing through the crack. I tested it once on my own barefoot track in mud and it was set and ready to be cleaned in about an hour. And it did pick up my dermal ridges very clearly with no swelling or shrinking.
It is a little on the expensive side but as you said good tracks are rare and having something that sets up quickly and picks up every detail is important if you're way out in the bush with limited time before you have to be out of the forest.
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Post by hotdog on Apr 26, 2012 18:07:30 GMT -5
Sorry, one more question. Would there be room for two more at the breakfast on Sunday?
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Post by Jason C. on Apr 26, 2012 21:10:27 GMT -5
How long does it take for dental stone to set up? About 30 minutes. You can tap on the back and hear when it is ready. You will know when it is good. I will do a video this weekend, with Robert. There is room for more people to come to the brunch. They won't take reservations, so we'll just have to push tables together, and make it work. |
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Post by Richard on Apr 26, 2012 21:47:33 GMT -5
Has anyone got a 3D cast scanner that measures dimensions? I saw Whitewolf productions use one and wonder if any of our savvy techies on this forum might have one. I am a techie for sure - however sadly lack the $5000+ hobby budget to spend on one ;D I promise, if I win the lotto this Friday, I'll be sure to have enough gear and make it available to the group that Tony Stark would be impressed! Now where did I put that genetic sequencer?? ... |
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