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Post by vilnoori on Apr 5, 2012 12:53:06 GMT -5
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Richard
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Post by Richard on Apr 5, 2012 22:20:01 GMT -5
Well that is 20 min I'll never get back ... 5 pages of reading total bunk. Sorry, does Kitakaze honestly think we are all that gullible? - I have THE suit used to create Patty
- No I won't show you, nor answer any questions about it other than just vague melodrama.
- All will be revealed in my "soon to be released" DVD, for only $24.95 + S&H
Come on! No wonder the BF community has so many nuts out there - it is a GREAT place to make an easy buck. As Jason would say "para-abnormals". BTW If you buy Kitakaze's story, do I have a great deal on a bridge for you!! Richard |
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Post by westerncanadian on Apr 6, 2012 0:18:52 GMT -5
Kitakaze has been making unsubstantiated claims since September, 2010. By saying there is a suit, Kitakaze is casting aspersions on Bob Gimlin and making him out to be untruthful. I personally interviewed Bob at his house last year for the second time and I can tell you categorically that as a law enforcement professional trained in the detection of tell tale signs of lying, Bob is no liar. He's one of the most truthful and honest men I have ever met. This Kitakaze guy has produced nothing whatsoever to back his claim and reading his excuses left me with the impression that this guy has nothing of note to impress us with.
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Post by vilnoori on Apr 6, 2012 2:24:26 GMT -5
I just would like to see the opinions of some of our BC folks on this one! I am still quite on the fence regarding the patty movie. The breasts simply don't look real to me. Too much support. And there is something very odd about the gait--very masculine. Either the species doesn't have the specialized feminine gait that ours does, or it really was a man walking. But, I concede the muscles and hair movements are exceptionally realistic. If it was a suit it was a remarkable one for that era, I understand.
I read that one of the makers of the PGF did have a suit made after the fact? Could that be what Kit has tracked down? Kit hails from Victoria, I understand, so he is indeed one of ours. He certainly has put in a lot of time on this. I think he deserves to be heard out anyway.
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Post by Jason C. on Apr 6, 2012 3:41:45 GMT -5
I am getting pissed off just reading this guy's claim.
That is all I have to say.
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Post by billr on Apr 7, 2012 1:18:47 GMT -5
I have seen a dvd copy of a first generation film copy which is about as good as it gets nowadays.
I can't put my finger on it, but the animal just doesn't look real to me.
I wouldn't argue with someone that thinks it is real, because I cannot really say why it looks fake to me, it just does.
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Post by billr on Apr 7, 2012 1:30:16 GMT -5
Kit hails from Victoria, I understand, so he is indeed one of ours. He certainly has put in a lot of time on this. I think he deserves to be heard out anyway. The problem that I have with Kit is that he seems to think (at least to me) that he is an expert on everything. And his way to win a debate is to keeps saying the same thing over and over again with increasingly long post until the thread gets locked or everyone else stops posting out of frustration. I probably only read about 1% of his posts now as I find it a waste of time. Remember this is coming from a guy that does not believe that sasquatch exist (I mean me here) |
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Post by Jason C. on Apr 7, 2012 4:09:13 GMT -5
I can't put my finger on it, but the animal just doesn't look real to me. And I can completely respect that. What I like is that you are open-minded to their existence. As I have said elsewhere, I am not 100% convinced that they exist. I need to see one -- and I pray I do some day soon. I envy the guys like Bill Miller and Bob Gimlin that are 100% sure that it exists. Conviction is a powerful thing.Aloha, Jason |
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Post by vilnoori on Apr 25, 2012 13:59:16 GMT -5
Yeah, I have to agree with you Jason. I am really hoping someone will come along and push me off the fence. Or that I get lucky and have a visual experience of my own. Bill, yes, I think there is a valuable place for skeptics of all kinds. Kit's particular obsession is the PGF and I personally get tired of that subject and only glance through occasionally. But this find is potentially big news.
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Post by westerncanadian on Apr 26, 2012 15:11:57 GMT -5
Neither Roger Patterson or Bob Gimlin ever had a suit made after the fact. There is simply no truth to this story. If you want to know about the PG film, talk to Tom Steenburg, Bill Miller or myself. Between the three of us we are probably the most knowledgeable people other than John Green and the late Rene Dahinden in Canada about virtually all the circumstances around the film. Anything you hear from half-baked sources is going to lead you around the garden.
One of I disagreeociates in Victoria has challenged Kitakaze on several occasions to come up with the goods when he has made other spectacular claims. He has failed to do so. He could well be the victim of a con job on this occasion, but there is simply no way he can link any suit - if there really is one - with the PG film.
Jason and I both work in law enforcement and I can tell you that linking a suit to an event that happened 44 years ago is extremely unlikely and only happens once in a blue moon as far as cold case files are concerned. However, since there is no suit in the PG film, this case is closed and Kitakaze is either wrong or he has been duped.
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Post by westerncanadian on Apr 26, 2012 15:15:15 GMT -5
I have edited the post above twice because the damn thing keeps changing I disagreeociates to disagreeociates. What is the matter with this thing?
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Sheldon
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Post by Sheldon on Apr 26, 2012 22:25:59 GMT -5
Well Stated westerncanadian.
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Sean V.
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Post by Sean V. on Apr 27, 2012 2:04:48 GMT -5
I think he deserves to be heard out anyway. I have listened over and over to his claims already. He strikes me as a debunker that is so desperate to make people believe him that he will say & claim anything. If he does not believe that this creature exists, that is fine. He just doesn't to say it 5000 times. |
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Post by Jason C. on Apr 27, 2012 4:12:44 GMT -5
However, since there is no suit in the PG film, this case is closed and Kitakaze is either wrong or he has been duped. Honestly the PG film to me is THE piece of evidence. 1) The technology of the time period, precludes the use of a suit. You can see muscle movement in the thigh, calf, ass, back, arms, shoulders -- and you can't get that with a suit. 2) Bob Gimlin's testimony is believable and unrehearsed. 3) The credentialed scientific study by Krantz, Meldrum, Grieve and other scientists of the creature's gait, etc. proves it to be genuine. 4) There has NEVER been a study published by qualified credentialed scientists disproving the films authenticity. 5) Many of you people have studied both the content of the film -- and the personalities involved. And yet, the totality of what happened that day in 1967, still rings true. The PG film is why I will be in the forest this weekend. The PG film is why I am on here writing at 2am. The PG film is why I even associate with you people.  Aloha, Jason |
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Richard
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Post by Richard on Apr 27, 2012 23:44:32 GMT -5
The PG film is why I even associate with you people. Ouch! ... true but Ouch ;D |
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