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Post by cherni on Sept 14, 2009 15:17:23 GMT -5
Hey all, I know I don't post here very much but I found this link on the Coast to Coast AM website that I thought everyone here might enjoy. I've also copied and pasted the story. Kind of weird if you ask me. I used to live in Parksville, where I started my former radio career, and fished Cameron Lake a few times. Eerie now when I look back. Also it wouldn't surprize me. If you're wondering where Cameron Lake is. It's along the highway, (I believe), going towards Port Alberni and and Tofino. But it's on the east side of Mount Arrowsmith, before you get to Cathedral Grove. It's been 11 years since I lived there so I'm assuming this is the same lake I'm thinking about. Maybe someone can confirm this? Dave Hunters will scour lake for monsters www.canada.com/Hunters+will+scour+lake+monsters/1979202/story.html By Derek Spalding, Daily NewsSeptember 10, 2009 People have reported seeing what they can best describe as a creature in Cameron Lake, just 30 kilometres west of Parksville, and John Kirk wants to find out what it is. Kirk co-founded a B.C. group dedicated to hunting unidentified animals, or cryptid, and said he and his fellow members of the Scientific Cryptozoology Club have been fielding calls from people who say it's time to take a closer look. The author of In the Domain of Lake Monsters plans an expedition to Cameron Lake to look for scientific evidence on Sept. 19. This initial inspection will determine whether or not people are mistaking natural phenomenon for a cryptid, Kirk explained. Once he and his team rule out things like submerged rocks or logs, they will return for a more in-depth analysis. So far, people have described the creature as long and serpent-like. One woman captured a photograph of a similar silver shape, an indication that it could be a fish, which would be just as interesting for Kirk because there are no known species of fish in the lake that can get that big, he explained. The 70-member club has experienced field researchers from all around the world but its small size and small budget often limit the expeditions they can go on. Oceanside Tourism, which represents both Parksville and Qualicum Beach, contacted the group and offered to sponsor the trip. "We've gotten some feedback from people who are concerned that if we find something it will stop people from swimming but it doesn't stop people in Okanagan," Kirk said. "There are no reports of anyone getting attacked at one of these lakes. In fact, it's a great tourist attraction. People make an absolute fortune on this type of thing." Lakes in the province are notorious for creature sightings, according to Kirk, who said there are 39 lakes with some sort of sighting reports. With very few of these sightings confirmed, Kirk does not expect to find anything in Cameron Lake his first time out. DSpalding@nanaimodailynews.com 250-729-4231
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Post by princeton12 on Sept 19, 2009 21:09:18 GMT -5
this is a large lake is on the way to port alberni and has a few strange things living in it I hear, like bullfrogs and turtles, both rare on the island, so why not a swimming dinosaur?
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Post by cherni on Sept 20, 2009 23:13:35 GMT -5
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News Home > Canada News> Research team launches.... Research team launches search for serpent-like Vancouver Island lake creature Module body
Sat Sep 19, 10:33 PM
16 What's this By Dirk Meissner, The Canadian Press
ADVERTISEMENT VICTORIA, B.C. - Brigette Horvath knew she saw something strange in Cameron Lake on Vancouver Island two years ago and a team of researchers say she might be right.
Was it a fish, an eel or some kind of serpent-like creature? She says she didn't know. But Horvath grabbed her camera and managed to fire off one shot before the batteries failed.
The researchers who specialize in looking for so-called crytozoological creatures - in other words, monsters - spent Saturday on the lake probing the depths with a sonar-like fish finder.
At first, they picked up a couple of large contacts at the bottom of the lake, about 45 metres deep, then something more pronounced on a second pass.
"Something just went 'ping' on the alarm on the fish finder and we saw this absolutely massive object in the midst of various fish," said John Kirk, president of the British Columbia Scientific Cryptozoology Club.
They made four more passes and the contact held stable, making it unlikely that it was a school of fish, which tend to scatter eventually, Kirk said.
"We were quite stunned that there was something that big in the lake and it was in about 60 feet of water, less than 30 yards from shore, it was quite amazing," he said.
Horvath, who lives in Nanaimo, said she was driving along Highway 4 on July 30, 2007, when she saw a strange semi-circle in the lake.
"You could see like a serpent shape," said Horvath, who isn't the only person to report something strange in Cameron Lake.
"It wasn't logs," she said. "It wasn't waves. There were no boats in the area. It was, like, right there. You could actually see a large fish, (an) object, no, not an object, something alive."
Kirk, who admits his trip to Cameron Lake is being sponsored by the local Oceanside Tourism Association, said the team accidentally lost its underwater camera and was unable to explore further.
Because the weather will deteriorate in the fall and winter, another search will have to wait until next year, Kirk said.
But the team has narrowed the possibilities.
"Maybe it's a sturgeon, maybe it's a giant sterile eel....it could be a massive type of salamander," Kirk said. "Or it could be something that we're completely unaware of at this point."
However, it's unlikely the small lake is the home of a mysterious sea monster, Kirk said.
"I'm not going to the extent to say there's anything exotic down there, there's just something big."
Kirk has searched for the Ogopogo in Okanagan Lake in the B.C. interior, looked in coastal B.C. for the Sasquatch, tried to find the sea creature Cadborosaurus off Vancouver Island and has hunted for giant salamanders in swamps.
He's been to Scotland and the republics of Congo and Cameroon in search of strange dinosaur-like beasts.
But it's British Columbia waters that provide a fertile hunting ground for animal tales, he said.
Kirk said there are 41 different lakes in British Columbia where strange animal sightings have been reported.
"In B.C., we just seem to have a ton of these lakes where these things have been seen," he said.
Sawmill workers at Lake Cowichan on Vancouver Island reported seeing a large lake creature during the 1960s and a local fisherman said he hooked something that pulled him and his boat around the lake for an hour, Kirk said.
He said the Cadborosaurus, which has been adopted as an unofficial tourism mascot in the Victoria area, is real because fishermen found one inside the belly of a sperm whale in 1937 and sent it to the Royal B.C. Museum for identification.
"We've had what you might say in scientific terms is the type-specimen there," said Kirk. "Most people describe this thing as an elongated serpent-like creature. It has a camel-like head. That description comes up over and over."
A former clerk of the B.C. legislature, Henry William Langley and provincial archivist Fred Kemp, issued a joint statement in 1922 saying they'd seen a sea creature off Chatham Island near Victoria.
"These are not nut-case people. These are very serious people," said Kirk.
In 1951, Langley was crushed to death under the wheels of a Nanaimo-bound train as it was pulling out of the Victoria station.
Kirk said Cadborosaurus' range is not confined to the Victoria area. Reports of a similar animal have come from the Gulf of Alaska to the Sea of Cortez in Mexico.
In Oregon, the animal goes by the name Colossal Claude.
But Kirk believes British Columbia is in a class by itself for what he calls crytozoological encounters.
People have actually started to embrace the strange animals to the point where they are showing up in tourism brochures, he said.
"Like Moberly Lake up in the (northeast) area, the First Nations there got in touch with me and told me about the creature that they had been seeing with a horse's head swimming around in the lake, and now they've given it a name," Kirk said.
"They call it Moberly d**k."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2009 12:44:43 GMT -5
Cameron Lake is supposed to be bottomless. Thought it interesting that one of the news sources includes Sasquatch active in that area as well. (See last paragraph): wildwomanofthewoods : )
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Post by duallie on Dec 22, 2009 20:09:16 GMT -5
More rubbish. All of these are attributed to promoting tourism. It's that simple. What evidence is there? Zero, except for a tale. Okanagan is supposedly bottomless also. In actuality, it bottoms out at around 800 ft. depending on how much water has been let out of the lake. This falls just shy of that bottomless mark. And there is no Ogopogo either. Nobody here even believes in it. We fish the lake as much as 3-8 days a month, year-round. We see the famous wave every time we're out. Actually, I see it nearly every day driving along the lake. Believe me, it's a wave. I lived in Chetwynd and used to fish Moberley as well. No locals had ever heard of any monster in the lake. We have a $2500.00 fish finder on our boat. I can lower my lure to the bottom and start to jig. I can watch my lure on the finder as it jigs up and down. I think we'd notice a monster if it were around. Kokanee move in huge schools. These form a long mass shape on the finder. Someone who doesn't see this often and is unfamiliar with it, could easily assume that this must be a monster. But it's not. So if this supposed monster they picked up on their finder was in 60 ft. of water, it must have almost been visible. Depending on water clarity, one can usually see about 30 ft. down. If this was that large, it would take up a good portion of the remainder. Why didn't they try to lower something and bump it to see it's reaction? The reports of a camel-shaped head. Why do we immediately jump to monster. A report of a camel head, should we not logically first assume camel? Can a horse not swim across a lake? We have elk and moose swim across Okanagan. How many of these were reported as Ogopogo? I'd be more willing to believe the camel before a monster. ;D We all still swim in Okanagan because we know it's all a ruse. It's all for tourism. If people think they are going to see something, odds are greatly increased that they will. And from that the tourists themselves promote the tourism. Amazing how that works. Why do you think there's a $2 million reward for proof of Ogopogo? Because they know it will never be paid out. It's perfect. Remember Monsterquest and the proof of Ogopogo they found? Exactly. Loch Ness was proven to be a hoax. But look what that did for tourism. It all makes for awesome stories and all though. The bottom line, is that we first need evidence before we jump around stating things to be real. That doesn't mean that someone didn't see something. But what they saw is absolutely undetermined. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays everyone! And may this be the year that we finally answer the BF legend. That is my Christmas wish. Am I asking for too much?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2009 15:37:12 GMT -5
I know some who have seen Sasquatch in the area. But because they have no evidence, does that mean they don't exist.
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Post by Gerry on Jan 7, 2010 15:08:49 GMT -5
I had another thought to dualie! How much fish would have to be consumed on a daily bases to keep such a creature alive? Especially in lake of much smaller stature then the Okanagan? Maybe it is a herbivore? But how much plant growth would be available is these so called bottomless lakes?
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Post by duallie on Jan 13, 2010 21:30:27 GMT -5
That's a very good point, Gerry. All fish are meat-eaters. Any lake monster would be also. There simply is no way that these lakes could sustain a monster. And no way that a monster wouldn't be seen more often and therefore photographed. A monster isn't just going to exist. It would need to feed and feed often. We have to apply logic and reality to these stories also, not just hope and imagination. Hi Wildwoman. Absolutely not. Lack of evidence doesn't mean Sasquatch don't exist. But a story or blurry photo/video doesn't mean that they do either. We cannot positively say that something exists as fact without having evidence to prove that. I know that having a personal encounter would definitely convince oneself. But to everyone else who wasn't there, it would still be just a story. Others who've had there own encounters would definitely put stock in it, but that doesn't change the fact that it is still only one's report. Without any evidence as proof, all stories are open to speculation. Every report out there could very well be true. But with nothing to back them up, they could also be all false. We know very well that there are many that are complete garbage. And I'm sure that there are many that are real as well. But how is it that with the mass amount of sightings, that there is absolutely zero evidence? That is baffling.
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Post by rastaman on Jan 21, 2010 4:41:17 GMT -5
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Post by westerncanadian on Feb 20, 2010 14:54:51 GMT -5
This is to clarify the state of affairs at both Okanagan and Cameron Lakes. I am qualified to talk about this as I have extensively carried out research and investigations at both of them.
The recent Cameron Lake expedition was organized by myself and others. I can categorically tell you this was no tourism promotion stunt. We were sponsored by the local tourism board, but they had no say whatsoever in how we carried out our research. In fact, we advised them that it was unlikely we would find anything in the lake.
The lake is not bottomless. We found the deepest point was a mere 160 feet. It was in this area that we had major hit on our fishfinder that was so out of proportion to any fish that we passed over the area three more times to make sure this wasn't some random anomaly. It was still there in midwater in the general vicinity for 20 minutes.
Was this a lake 'monster'. Probably not. It could be a very large fish or some other animal. There is a ton of fish in Cameron Lake as stocks of at least ten thousand brown and cutthroat trout are maintained by the fisheries department annually and biannually.
At no time have we stated there is a monster in Cameron Lake. That is the invention of the media who now call whatever is living in that lake "Cammie", which I think is an asinine name. The verdict is that there is something in Cameron Lake, but it is not of the order in magnitude and size as Ogopogo or any of the other creatures that inhabit BC lakes.
Okanagan Lake has yielded a lot of photos, videos and film that categorically show an unknown creature in the lake. Some of these can be found on the internet. Some of the more famous pieces of footage include the Folden film and the Demara footage. Paul Demara videotaped six or seven very large heads swimming across the lake, one of which almost collides with a waterskier. This footage was on the internet for awhile so I suggest you do a search for it if you want to see it for yourself.
Yes there are anomalous waves, windrows, boat wakes and other natural phenomena that can be seen on Okanagan and other lakes, but there is definitely a very large creature in that lake and I have seen it myself on a number of occasions and can tell you I was not looking at natural phenomena, but a living animate creature of as yet unidentified determination. On Auguist 26, 1989 I saw two of them swimming together at 7:30 a.m. off Bertram Creek park. The forward one was almost 70 feet long and the one behind it was 60 feet long. I can tell you that I saw between 10 and 14 humps at any given time which were clearly not waves or wakes.
In over 20 years of investigation at Okanagan Lake, I have talked to tons of people who have seen the resident creature there and have been given excellent and concise descriptions of a creature of serpentine aspect with a reptilian head. There goes the moose theory. These people were reputable citizens of the Okanagan Valley whose word was honorable and I have absolutely no reason to doubt them.
As for the Moberly Lake creature, I was advised of this by the First Nations folks who live up there, who saw this reptilian creature with a horse-like head in that lake. They pleaded with me to come up and investigate that lake, but as yet I have not had time or resources to do it. I will at some stage go and see for myself, but in the meantime I will keep an open mind about the possibility that there might just be another Ogopogo animal in Moberly Lake.
At last count reports of Ogopogo-like animals have been received from 41 lakes in the province and some of these have ranged from the 1800s to the present. Scientific inquiry necessitates that we investigate them all if possible and determine one way or another whether they do indeed dwell in these many bodies of water.
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Post by duallie on Feb 21, 2010 22:39:07 GMT -5
You have to admit, the fact that you were sponsored by the tourism board can only cast doubt. Did you at least take a photo of the object on the finder? If not, why not? At least then others could view it and possibly lend their insight to the object. When I learn to attach photos, I'll post some of mine of the objects we've seen on our finder. A school of fish can easily look like something very large and strange. There's not one convincing photo or video of a monster in Okanagan. There's video of a beaver that Gaal says is definitely Ogi. Many photos and vids of simple waves. Cryptomundo has a photo of a guy dining on a local patio with "Ogopogo" captured in the background. Enlarge the photo, and it's very obvious that it's been doctored. Then there's the purple windsurfer that's being lauded as definitely Ogopogo. None of these are a monster. I live by Cedar Creek Winery. About 1 minute from Bertram Creek Park. This morning, driving to work, I saw a wave forming a large diameter circle out in the calm water. Something appeared to be then turning outward of the circle. What was it? I have no idea. But that does not make it an Ogopogo sighting. Living on the water, I see this type of thing all the time. When viewed through magnification, they always turn out to be an isolated wave or something else. Many times it's a bird, even though I'd swear that it had to be something very large. You even state that the media took your story and invented the monster. That shows how things are so quickly exaggerated. Then the public begin to see things after reading the story and soon it has a life of it's own. What techniques do you use to investigate and determine the reality of a water creature?
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Post by sebastian on Feb 27, 2010 2:53:54 GMT -5
I've got good reading on the fish finder from that trip. Attachments:
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Post by duallie on Feb 25, 2011 22:48:26 GMT -5
you can't be serious? that is a very rudimentary finder. what is showing is a fish at 65 feet just off bottom, which is 65.3 feet, that big, dark object is the bottom of the lake. your depth setting is at 150 feet, that is why the bottom is showing in the middle of the screen. that is not a large object in the middle of the water column. i know finder/sonar units very well and how they work and read. i'll post some pics that show things much better.
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Post by duallie on Feb 27, 2011 20:04:17 GMT -5
this is what a quality finder/sonar looks like. nothing is left to guesswork. and no, that is not a monster swimming through the water. it is salmon fry with trout above them and below them feeding on them. a proper finder/sonar will show you everything that is in the water. we spend 12 hour days on okanagan trolling. trust me, there is no monster in the lake. at best, you've seen sturgeon. Attachments:
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