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Post by bigfoothunter on Sept 21, 2009 20:38:28 GMT -5
It's OK hotdog ... Gerry probably wants you to defend someone if you like, but just do it at a research level and not get suckered in to a tit'4'tat' thing. The way I see it is that those people who know Gabe ... won't pay any attention to him. Those people who know me will know better. To the rest it won't matter.
I will say one thing about something Gabe said ... I had never seen anyone misspell two simple words like 'stupid' and 'simpleton' while calling them to someone.
Bill Miller Bigfoot Field Research
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duallie
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Post by duallie on Sept 21, 2009 23:37:04 GMT -5
Hi Bill. Your response to Gabe was perfect. Very well worded and spoke what alot of us, me for one, were probably thinking. Good call on removing him, Gerry. Obviously, he was only here to cause trouble. You are very fair at allowing someone to spew their crap, expose themselves for all to witness, before having no other option than ban. That is a main reason why this site is so good. Cheers!
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Post by Gerry on Sept 23, 2009 0:19:11 GMT -5
Well, you know. It plain comes from years of exposure to forums like BFF,BDF and more... of which I have been a long time member On the BFF, I am known as' Grandcherokee', and I have spent a number of years fighting against ignorance about this subject, by newcomers. But you have to hear them out! Don't matter if they make no sense to you personally..they have their right to their opinions. Even when their opinions are wrong to us! It is not our place to set them straight. All we can do is ask intelligent questions and try to get them to use logic and a certain 'standard of evidence' when forming their opinions. And if they are onto something real and of value..then they will have no problem doing this. It is the ones who have no foundation to work with, who fail at logic and evidence. Then comes the name calling! And at that point...anything worthwhile has been surely lost! Then it is just personalities at play. And Lord knows we already have enough of that!
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Post by Gerry on Sept 23, 2009 0:28:29 GMT -5
As for you, 'hotdog'...don't play the drama queen! You were caught being a 'potty mouth' and I called you on it. I did not say that you were not welcome here. Just adjust your attitude to reflect a more mature viewpoint! As for Bill Miller...I have yet to see the day that he has ever needed someone to speak up for him. If you had any part in the subject of this thread then it would have been better for you to have only mentioned your own impressions of the 'facts' , as you knew them! No body likes being 'ganged up on' from either side of a debate! If you can't debate the subject at hand..then do not make it personal. That is the difference between what Bill Miller did..and what, you and Gabe did! Can't be any plainer then that!
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Post by thomassteenburg on Aug 30, 2010 21:51:22 GMT -5
member is offline
Joined: Aug 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 139 Location: Mission Re: Rock Throwing Video « Reply #102 on Aug 28, 2010, 6:19am »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well it looks as though Ole Randy and Bruce McDonald are at it again. McDonald has just posted on You Tube, (Dated August 22 2010) A short video of he and another fellow, (Sounds like Randy but he is not shown) again going to that stump which Randy claims he photographed a Sasquatch a few years ago. Well that's not what got my dander up. It was the write up Bruce has posted with the video claiming the only reason myself and Bill went and declared his photos a hoax was due to the fact we are both jealous that randy was asked to appear on some documentary about Sasquatch being made by one Adrian Erickson? McDonald claims that both Bill and myself asked to on the program but were turned down well Randy was asked to appear?? just to clarify for those whom might have seen this video or who really care. Never in the 30 years of research have I ever approached or asked any film maker to appear on any documentary. I have been in quite a number of them but at all times they asked me. I have never heard of Adrian Erickson and have no idea who he is, or what projects if any he is producing. So I can tell you with 100 per cent confidence that Bruce McDonald is again as usual barking up the wrong tree. I did try to respond in the comments section of the video only to find that I have been blocked by video owner. I'm sure Bill is likely blocked to. So ti looks as though the soap opera with Randy and Bruce is continuing. How sad. It is possible that some day Randy with all the time he spends in the back woods of Golden ears Park, he may indeed get a real video of a Sasquatch some day. I can assure him I would look at any evidence with out pre judgment. But I will never keep quite when I catch any one attempting to hoax evidence. Randy you need to cut the B.S. if you wish to continue in Sasquatch research or else you will end up being another Ivan Marks or Paul Freeman. Nobody will take any future claim seriously for the boy who cry ed wolf syndrome will be first and for thought on every body's mind. Bruce you need to open your eyes and stick to the facts, and never mind the wishful thinking.
Thomas Steenburg
Wrote this under another thread having forgot about this one have now moved it here to.
Thomas Steenburg
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Post by bigfoothunter on Aug 31, 2010 0:19:37 GMT -5
I was able to reply to McDonald just prior to his blocking my ability to reply further. Here is the link to the new Bruce McDonald video - his vulgar way - and his attempt to use rumor and lies to try and rehabilitate Brisson's ruined reputation. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik4gLDQuWwsMiller: Who is Adrian Ericsson ... some relation to that Gabe fellow that you (Bruce) apologized on the Bigfoot forum for knowingly getting to lie about Steenburg in retaliation for catching Brisson fabricating Sasquatch evidence? I would like to see a statement from this person who you claim was solicited by Miller and Steenburg to be in a project on the Sasquatch. I hope that it isn't discovered that you have offered another falsehood in an attempt to downplay what Randy Brisson did. McDonald: I never gave out any false hoods about anything so shut the f##k up. Next contestant please. You are just another member of their flock of sheep, incapable of your own analysis or investigation. Shut the f##k up buddy. I have emailed Mr. Erickson and asked that he either confirm or deny the accuracy of McDonald's accusations concerning myself or Steenburg ever soliciting Adrian Erickson to participate in any projects. I will post the reply if and when I get one back. Bill Bigfoot Field Research
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Post by bigfoothunter on Aug 31, 2010 16:38:36 GMT -5
To all,
It appears that Bruce McDonald wasn't as sorry as he let on when he posted his last apology of a year or so ago over the 'Gabe' interview because according to Erickson's reply today ... McDonald is exposed once again for posting dis-information on Youtube. (read below)
From: IMSJLE@aol.com [mailto:IMSJLE@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 9:21 AM To: Adrian Erickson
Mr. Adrian Erickson,
I recently read on the Internet where it was posted on Youtube.com that I (Bill Miller) and Thomas Steenburg, both researchers/authors in the Sasquatch Community, had solicited you to be in one of your projects and that you had turned us down. As far as I am aware, neither Steenburg, nor myself have ever contacted you by any method and asked to participate in any of your Sasquatch related projects.
I would appreciate you confirming or denying whether you have ever made such a statement to anyone, especially to one Randy Bisson or Bruce McDonald who are behind this information being spread throughout the Sasquatch community.
My concern is that someone may have contacted you as myself without my knowledge and if that is the case, then of course I would want to know about it. This is why I wish to know if you have ever made such a statement.
Thank You for your time.
Bill Miller Bigfoot Field Research
Subject: RE: Mr. Erickson - will you confirm or deny the following??? Date: 8/31/2010 10:36:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time From: adrian@regalridge.com Reply To: To: IMSJLE@aol.com
Hi Bill,
I do not remember you or Thomas Steenburg soliciting me to be in any of my projects.
Regards,
Adrian Erickson
President Regal Ridge
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sebastian
Really into this!
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Post by sebastian on Sept 1, 2010 16:03:32 GMT -5
This forum is great! I think the following video just summed up everything happening here with that invisible bigfooter:
You know whose side are you on!
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Post by thomassteenburg on Sept 6, 2010 0:06:44 GMT -5
Got home tonight, [Sept 5th 2010] to find a message on the answering machine from Randy Brission. In the message Randy told me he had nothing to do with the Bruce Mc Donald YouTube video of recent discussion. Nor did he have any knowledge of it. This was something Bruce had done with out any in put from Randy. He went on to say other things concerning Bruce Mc Donald which I will not repeat here, But it seems Randy was not happy with what he did and wanted to clear the air that he had nothing to do with it. Thats good enough for me and I accept Randy's claim that he had no knowledge or input concerning the write up Bruce Mc Donald included with his YouTube video of August 22nd 2010.
Thomas Steenburg
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sebastian
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Post by sebastian on Sept 7, 2010 17:57:49 GMT -5
Too messy here! Thomas, Release the Kraken!
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Post by bigfoothunter on Sept 15, 2010 12:37:32 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik4gLDQuWwsBruce McDonald and Randy Brisson seem to be at odds with each other after Brisson stated that he DID NOT say the things McDonald posted on Youtube. I recently posted to McDonald's Youtube claims pointing out that if what Bruce was now saying is true, then it means that McDonald is offering a message that basically says that he was willing to rely on rumor and innuendo once again to slander other researchers without so much as checking for supporting facts first. I then asked McDonald why in his video does he only film one indentation in the soft forest ground and not bother showing the viewer the indentations that must have been present both before and after his so-called Sasquatch track? I explained that if no other impressions were present in the soft soil, then it means that his alleged dent in the soil could not have been made by a Sasquatch. McDonald replied that his focus was on chasing after the Sasquatch that was thrashing the forest ahead of him. So the following isn't missed by readers in the event McDonald's Youtube text about his actions at the alleged track site is removed, it reads as follows .... Bill Miller: "Alleging a Bigfoot track by only showing one blob-track in soft forest soil and not showing people the soil condition just before and after the one indentation is suspicious when someone like yourself should know better. Having to point out the obvious isn't embarrassing for me. Being thorough is a sign of sincerity ... being vague is not. McDonald: "We were focusing on hunting down what was probably the owner of the track breaking branches in the forest ahead of us, I didn't want to dawdle on a single print. We were in pursuit. I regret not doing a better job on this single print." Bill Miller: "I hope you understand that your response won't make any sense to viewers. Other than showing one indentation in the ground that could have been from a piece of wood or a rock that had been laying there and was removed - you offered no evidence that would show you were looking at a Sasquatch track. And after you failed to catch a glimpse of the alleged brush thrasher - you didn't go back and thoroughly document the alleged track scene, thus your response doesn't add up." McDonald: "anyways thats enough bill, i'm recovering from recent surgery and cant afford the energy to argue with you." So it appears that Bruce McDonald was not too weak to make responses that doesn't answer the question, but too weak to respond with answers that do. On the video there is no thrashing of the forest ahead of them going on, nor did McDonald film any evidence that he was on the trail of the track maker. When he was pushed to explain why he didn't go back to the scene after not catching the alleged forest thrasher ... his response is simply that he can't spend any more energy answering questions. I'll let the reader decide if Bruce McDonald was being forthright and honest in his responses. Bill Miller Bigfoot Field Research
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Post by bigfoothunter on Sept 15, 2010 17:40:59 GMT -5
Good ol' fork-tongued Bruce McDonald has posted the following on youtube ....
"ok this video is over hyped - further comments disabled. - Bill Miller back to blocked status, you've had your say here. This is my party."
So it appears that McDonald sees his deceptive Youtube videos as 'his party'. His less than forthright replies seems to be all he has to offer. Maybe someone else will have better luck at finding out why his story doesn't add up.
Bill Bigfoot Field Research
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Post by thomassteenburg on Sept 16, 2010 5:48:33 GMT -5
Bruce McDonald may have blocked Bill Miller from asking questions on his You Tube post but he couldn't resist getting in two more shots at him. Here is the first
QUOTE @bmjfk63 later that evening in camp a spaceship landed and we were beckoned inside. Down the end of an unseemingly long hallway was a room with bright flashing lights and loud Music. Incredibly on the stage were the most beautiful strippers in the universe. Seated at the table were various species of Bigfoot swilling green beer and whistling, as they often do, at the strippers. One of the sasquatch asked me to sign a non-disclosure, which I did. A great night of partying with new friends
trailriderresearch 6 hours ago. End Quote
STEENBURG COMMENT: I hope to hell he thought he was being funny here for if not, than he belongs on the Loony forum and not anywhere else. His next post was just being nasty at Bill thinking Bill will not be able to respond. This is the way he answers legitimate questions of his claims.
QUOTE:trailriderresearch | August 22, 2010 ok this video is over hyped - further comments disabled. - Bill Miller back to blocked status, you've had your say here. This is my party..
The bottom line Bill, is you are an not a very nice person, period. I don't have time for your hopelessly flawed analysis, regarding anything. Get over yourself.
Come up with some new evidence yourself, instead of habitually twisting other peoples words, time lines, and images into a weak sauce argument designed only to draw attention to yourself.
In other words "Shut the f**k up", because no ones listening.
The fact is Billy boy, I have nearly 700 subscribers and almost 400,000 video views in 3 years. That sez a lot of people have an interest the evidence I put forward. This is the most watched Sasquatch channel on Youtube. END QUOTE.
STEENBURG RESPONSE What can I say, but remind Bruce that many indeed are listening, and that wide viewer ship by other nuts is nothing to brag about. I bet most whom read his stuff, and watch his videos just shake their heads in total bewilderment. I can say this he is entertaining.
Thomas Steenburg
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Post by bigfoothunter on Sept 16, 2010 13:36:56 GMT -5
I think Bruce McDonald, like other hoaxers, is disgruntled and not quite right upstairs. He started out with a vulgar rant about him not ever misleading anyone (as if the Gabe garbage wasn't documented on the Internet).
He then gets caught in his lie and tries to push the entire blame on Brisson. He pretends to come across as a victim and wishes me well.
Then when pressed for an answer for his not showing the viewer more than the immediate area around a single blob-track that he claims to be a Sasquatch print with the subject just up ahead of him still thrashing the bush, he makes up a no-hold-water excuse that he has not the energy to simply answer the question. He instead drums up the energy to write 4 times more disgruntled hate post.
I just let the community as a whole make up their own minds after seeing all the evidence.
Bill Bigfoot Field Research
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Post by bigfoothunter on Sept 16, 2010 15:33:22 GMT -5
It appears that lying has its side effects according to Bruce McDonald.
McDonald: "Due to my PTSD and depression illnesses, and my current post surgery medicated condition, I direct you and your collegues, Mr. Miller to refrain from further contact with me on my Utube channel. I can't afford health setbacks caused by further direct contact with you. Goto one of your silly little babble forums if you are compelled to spew further dribble and meaningless analysis"
He must be a real trooper to continue monitoring his Youtube post.
Bill Bigfoot Field Research
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