sebastian
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Post by sebastian on Sept 10, 2009 23:02:48 GMT -5
Mr. Trial rider research, I think that was very classy of you to make a public apology to Bill and Thomas. You are right, the whole thing is rather non-productive.
About Randy's claims, there is no right or wrong; no doubt in his mind, he probably saw sasquatch quite a few times. But extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Randy lacks extraordinary proof. In this field, we need hard evidence to support the fact, not truth.
Over the last few years, Randy seemingly produced a number of photographic evidence of the blurry kind. We interviewed him for the first time in 2007 (You can see the thread of "Golden Ears Report"). After the interview, he turned on his computer, and showed us quite a few of those "dark spot in the woods" photos. He asked us "could that be something?". This is the first clue of that I realise that he had sasquatch in his mind the whole time. To him, a bird song is likely a sasquatch singing.
Those questionable photos lead me to another observation. Why did he take those photos in the first place? Did he tried to take a number of random photos and hoping something would turn out?
A few weeks after the first interview, he mentioned to us about a "second" sighting. We asked him "are you reporting a second sighting?" He did not answer the question but instead swiftly changed the topic. This is another indicator of lying. To some people, it is important for them to stay in the spot light even if they have to lie and hoax. I am not a psychologist, but I think that it is some kind of a obsessive attention seeking mental disorder.
No, we did not right Randy off right away. Knowing his history of his behaviour, Thomas actually went with him showing that Thomas respected him. But he didn't respect us, nor you, Mr. Trail rider.
Finally, you bought up a great topic of the eternal debate of human or ape. I think that we should start another thread and looking forward to hear your opinion of why you think that they are human.
cheers, seb
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Post by bigfoothunter on Sept 11, 2009 9:20:18 GMT -5
Those questionable photos lead me to another observation. Why did he take those photos in the first place? Did he tried to take a number of random photos and hoping something would turn out? I would like to add that while something on a photo may appear dark and suspicious ... it wasn't like that in the viewfinder. With the naked eye we can see into a shaded spot, while on film it may appear totally dark. One such example in my view was that silly nest claim in the Ohio Bigfoot book claim. We were being asked to believe that two guys walking around a large nest-like structure were not able to see two or three Sasquatch huddled up in the grass presumable 15' or so away. If people want photos of shadows that look like Sasquatch, then I can fulfill that wish each time I enter the bush. The point being is that I believe the photographer knows when he takes a photo if he has a Sasquatch in front of him or not. Bill Miller Bigfoot Field Research
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Post by bigfoothunter on Sept 13, 2009 10:07:59 GMT -5
Someone on another forum made an interesting observation whereas MacDonald made erroneous allegations on a large venue and the apologized on a much smaller one. Here is my response to this ...
I guess that no matter what site it is thats open to the public, then you will get idiots and morons, not to mention cult-minded individuals who will claim to know the truth without even caring to know the facts first.
MacDonald is one of those guys who uses his aliases to promote his films and the claims within. The guy first made the mistake as 'cameranut' in posting some time ago about sitting off of 20mile bay and having a rock thrown at his boat. As 'Trailrider' he posted that video on Youtube. I didn't mind him having several names to represent himself, but what many of us didn't like was his pretending to be an unrelated party posting in support his own films. This is deception in its purest form and should not be tolerated in my view.
In the video with the screwball named Gabe - MacDonald claims that Brisson didn't throw any rocks, but there were 4 people who caught Randy doing it. But people like MacDonald - Bobbie Short - and etc., don't want to believe that Brisson was hoaxing. Maybe its pride whereas they don't want to admit they could be fooled so easily ... maybe its a type of cult whereas they prefer to blame everything on the Sasquatch rather than to admit they have been being played by one of their own kind, but I can tell you that the BFRO members were among those being tricked and they would have liked nothing more than to have those rocks being thrown by a Sasquatch, but it just didn't happen that way. Keep in mind that making excuses for an obvious hoax makes one part of that hoax.
Its those kinds of people who make it easy for skeptics to lump everyone in the Bigfoot Community into a class of lunatics. Now we have someone like Paulides through rumor and innuendos trying to make a case for there being a massacre at Bluff Creek. Demanding on hearsay evidence that John Green take a polygraph as if that would somehow prove Green's innocence. I am currently writing a piece on this insanity and will post it soon. Some people must have agendas for I can think of no other reason for otherwise intelligent people to make such erroneous claims. When I looked at the stuff MK was posting through poor multi-generational images and then saw a good color print at Green's house ... it took only seconds to see the mistakes these so-called researchers were making. I guess they feel that they can see more detail through a dirty window Vs a clean one.
All we can do is expose the bad claims as fast and as vigorously as we support the good claims. Its about the only way we can get any credibility back after a select group have all but made us look like complete utter morons as a whole.
As the saying goes ... 'Let justice be done though the Heavens fall'.
Bill Miller Bigfoot Field Research
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Post by cherni on Sept 14, 2009 15:38:29 GMT -5
I don't mean to get into this whole debate, so I will stay out of it as much as possible.
In my line of work, I deal with a fair number of First Nations people in the Chilliwack area. When First Nation's people come into my office and I get a chance to speak to them, I always ask about Sasquatch. And I can honestly say that on more than one occasion, I have had First Nation's people say to me that indeed they believe that Sasquatch can make itself invisible, especially to those who don't believe.
I know this sounds hokey, but two of the three who did tell me this story were elders. I'm not saying that I believe it this fact, but when two elders tell me they're convinced, I tend to believe.
Whatever is the mystery, I think it makes for an interesting addition to the story.
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duallie
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Post by duallie on Sept 15, 2009 22:56:13 GMT -5
Invisible to those that don't believe. ;D Isn't that kind of appropriate. They don't believe in it anyway. Nothing, NOTHING, can make itself invisible. Invisibility does not exist. Star Trek if fictional, cloaking is not real. All the crazy claims, fake videos, and farcical reports are getting to be almost enough to make one lose faith in the belief of BF. Maybe we are all chasing a myth. Will someone please find some credible evidence soon. If BF were able to render themselves invisible, we would never see them. Why would sightings happen? Don't you think that they would 'cloak' themselves before they crossed a highway or peered in a window?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2009 22:44:07 GMT -5
Hey Billy boy i would say Bruce M. is light years ahead of you in technology and method.Instead of critisizing him you should shut up and listen to him you might learn something.
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Post by vilnoori on Sept 18, 2009 18:39:22 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2009 16:52:00 GMT -5
hotdogy your out to lunch for starters we werent sitting around a camp fire since we were respecting the current fire ban so much for your keen sense of observation.Second i am not and i mean definitley not one of those self appointed Mickey Mouse researchers.I have no intention of getting caught up in your silly kindergarden soap buble operas.Third Bruces research is far more effective since he employes night vision equipment thus dealing with the creature in its domain.By the way the creature is nocturnal by habit just in case you missed that with your astute sense of preception.Regarding the hero BS let me tell you something the real hero is oneself when suceess is acheived in a difficult task.Something your a long way from son.Good luck.
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Post by hotdog on Sept 19, 2009 17:11:14 GMT -5
Third Bruces research is far more effective since he employes night vision equipment thus dealing with the creature in its domain. Not if he's taking pictures of stars and the moon and saying they're supernatural entities. By the way the creature is nocturnal by habit just in case you missed that with your astute sense of preception. The creature is just as active during the day as it is at night. Just a lot more willing to approach closer when at night. Regarding the hero BS let me tell you something the real hero is oneself when suceess is acheived in a difficult task. Something your a long way from son. That explains why you're so full of yourself then. And believe me I have access to more night vision gear than Bruce could ever imagine and I actually know how to use it properly without looking and acting like a crackpot. And don't call me son. Calling me that is a priveledge that you haven't earned.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2009 20:07:28 GMT -5
Believe me having you for a son would be a disaster not to mention a great misfortune and a liability.So ha.Talk about full of your self,your full of something. Your alleging that big foot is also a day time creature where are you conducting your experiments may i ask?Stanley park perhaps.Double ha.You cannot make an accurarate assesment of the ratio of day to night time sighting since our faculties of observation and activity is severly diminished at night.Most ppeople go to sleep at night i am not sure what you do nor am i intersted.As far as you possesing night vision thats equipment i assume next you would be telling us you have an eye shine in the dark.What exactley have you done with your equipment other than spout off about having them.Have you got any footage to entretain us with perhapsMy guess is you havent got passed the stage of exprimenting with them in the safety of your back yard.So triple Ha .Here is another piece of advice son the more skillfull the technician the less tools he needs to work with. Think about it if you can!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2009 23:06:42 GMT -5
Who you calling a loser you pathetic low life you got nothing to show except your ignorance you stuiped simpelton.I am not going to waste my time on a f...ng wanker like you.Get stuffed you stale hot dog.
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Post by bigfoothunter on Sept 20, 2009 2:14:39 GMT -5
Hey Billy boy i would say Bruce M. is light years ahead of you in technology and method.Instead of critisizing him you should shut up and listen to him you might learn something. Dear Honest Gabe, Are you aware that MacDonald pulled that moronic video of you and he having your broke-back moment as you told your tale. He then apologized for his behavior, so while he got it - you seemingly still want to act the fool. So whats new! You lied about Steenburg blasting away at a bear while not knowing that I have that event on film. In fact, you are the only one of the many people I told that story to who twisted it in the fashion that you did for MacDonald. Again whats new! You then went out of your way to make it appear that you saw baby Sasquatch tracks on the beach by adding that they showed great weight by impressing on their depth in the sand. Jacko was 4'7" tall and weighed in at 127lbs, so how heavy were these baby Sasquatch that they appeared to show such weight to rule out humans? In fact, John Green told me he saw them and they could have been made by humans. He went on to say that the tracks were on a beach frequently used by people. I must say that you appear to be on a mission to use what ever means you can to try and make someone look bad. Are you not aware that I declined to go to Golden Ears Park the day Brisson got caught. Are you also not aware that my criticism of Brisson was over his two alleged photos of a Sasquatch. I pointed out that the distance from the camera to the stump changed `considerably between his photos ... yet the two heads remained the exact same size. So let us talk physics and perspective Mr. Honest Gabe. Feel free to go outside and take a photo of any stationary object at two different distances to the camera and you should find that everything within the photo changes size equally between photos. If the stump grew in size as Brisson's camera moved closer to it between photos, then so should have the alleged Sasquatch head, but it didn't. So what is next ... you care to pretend that you don't know what I am talking about? If Brisson was John Myles ... there is no doubt that you'd be leading the charge to point out the easily observed problem Randy has. He simply screwed up and for the past two months there has not been a single person debunk that simple rule of physics and perspective ... not even try. Instead you do the only thing you can and that is try to smear the messenger. In the process you appear to be nothing more than a pitiful vulgar fool which won't get you far on this site. Bill Miller Bigfoot Field Research
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Post by bigfoothunter on Sept 20, 2009 2:27:37 GMT -5
hotdogy your out to lunch for starters we werent sitting around a camp fire since we were respecting the current fire ban so much for your keen sense of observation.Second i am not and i mean definitley not one of those self appointed Mickey Mouse researchers.I have no intention of getting caught up in your silly kindergarden soap buble operas.Third Bruces research is far more effective since he employes night vision equipment thus dealing with the creature in its domain.By the way the creature is nocturnal by habit just in case you missed that with your astute sense of preception.Regarding the hero BS let me tell you something the real hero is oneself when suceess is acheived in a difficult task.Something your a long way from son.Good luck. Honest Gabe Lincoln, Are you not aware that there are far more reported day-time sightings than at night? That means that your statement about the Sasquatch being nocturnal is nothing more than hype. I also believe that hotdog's mentioning of your campfire chat was a figure of speech and little more. And if you are going to attempt to demean someone and use words like 'kindergarden', then you should at least spell words correctly that someone in kindergarden should be able to spell. You made at least four stupid errors which wouldn't mean that much had you not been trying to appear smarter than you really are. Let me share these words of wisdom with you in hopes you'll get the message. The difference between a smart person and a stupid person is that the stupid person never sees when they are wrong. MacDonald admitted his mistake and apologized for it. It appears he has one up on you. How about before you post another rant ... you take two seconds and tell us everything you know about 'hotdog' and what he does concerning his being out there and actively looking for the animal we call Sasquatch. I know who he is and I also have seen his starlight scopes, as well as his thermal imaging equipment. I know that he spends a lot of nights sitting alone with that equipment, not to mention his recording and listening devices trying to come up with some sound evidence pertaing to the Sasquatch. He's not bringing back pictures of stumps with heads pasted on them. He's not wasting peoples time and money by inviting them out so to throw rocks when he thinks they are not looking and attribute them to the Sasquatch. He's also not some vulgar moron who doesn't have a good enough grasp of the English language so not to have to use the 'F' word. However, as I read over your postings, I find nothing regarding facts, but instead a lot of trolling in an effort to spread discourse and dissension among the members here. What you are doing is trying to demean hotdog by pushing the notion that because he hasn't produced definitive proof worth presenting in his view, then that is somehow not as accomplished as someone who merely tells stories about little feet being seen on a beach frequented by kids or who misstates the facts in an attempt to slander someone. If all you are here to do is troll a forum, then I expect you won't be here long. Bill Miller Bigfoot Field Research
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Post by Gerry on Sept 20, 2009 4:29:11 GMT -5
Who you calling a loser you pathetic low life you got nothing to show except your ignorance you stuiped simpelton.I am not going to waste my time on a f...ng wanker like you.Get stuffed you stale hot dog. You know.... This waste of skin has had enough free time here! Your gone Gabe! And as an after- thought.... 'hotdog' you had better walk lightly around here for a while yourself. This is a discussion board..not a sandbox behind a pre-school! Grow up!
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Post by hotdog on Sept 21, 2009 18:25:11 GMT -5
Who you calling a loser you pathetic low life you got nothing to show except your ignorance you stuiped simpelton.I am not going to waste my time on a f...ng wanker like you.Get stuffed you stale hot dog. You know.... This waste of skin has had enough free time here! Your gone Gabe! And as an after- thought.... 'hotdog' you had better walk lightly around here for a while yourself. This is a discussion board..not a sandbox behind a pre-school! Grow up! My apologies. I consider Bill a good friend and, wrongly, I stepped in to defend him when those two could only take personal shots at him with no one else responding to them. I overstepped my bounds and I will completely understand if you don't want me here.
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