Another Archibald Incident earlier that evening! Nov 8, 2008 20:27:27 GMT -5
Post by Gerry on Nov 8, 2008 20:27:27 GMT -5
LOCATION: About 1/2 mile up Bridal Falls F.S.R. Fraser Valley, British Columbia
DATE @ TIME: June 18th, 2008, Aprox 10 p.m.
REPORT BY: Thomas Steenburg
This witness was ready to put what he saw behind him telling only a few friends and his mother. But when an article appeared in the Chilliwack Progress newspaper concerning another sighting on the same road on the same date, (File # 10160). He decided to contact one of the researchers involved, (Bill Miller) and relates his own encounter. Bill and I met the young man on the afternoon of July 16th, 2008 at the beginning of Bridal Falls F.S.R. where he showed us the location of his sighting. The interview was conducted there.
Q. Would you state your full name please?
A. R--- .
Q. What is your present mailing address Ryan?
Q. What is your phone number?
Q. What is your present occupation?
A. ***** Manufacturing.
Q. Do you ware corrective lenses?
Q. What is your age?
Q. Do you wish to keep your identify confidential?
Q. Doesn't bother you if your name is mentioned.
Q. where did this incident occur?
A. Mount Cheam.
Q. Here on Bridal Falls F.S.R.?
STEENBURG NOTE: Actually Bridal Falls F.S.R. is on the smaller Mount Archibald! Most people just assume that this is Mount Cheam.
Q. What date did this take place?
A. June 21st, no wait, June 19th. (Witness later recalled the correct date was June 18th)
Q. Was it at night or day?
A. Night, 10:30.
Q. Repeat the time for me.
A. 10:30 p.m.
Q. Was it dark yet or getting dark, or was it still light?
A. Probably just got dark.
Q. Describe the area where this took place?
A. Forest service road, trees, that’s about it.
Q. What were you doing in the area, why were you here?
A. I just like 4 by 4ing. That’s about it.
Q. Just going up the road?
A. Up the mountain, not that far away.
Q. What distance would you estimate you were from the subject when you saw it?
A. 30, maybe 35 feet.
Q. What color was it?
A. Black or dark brown.
Q. What was your first impression, what went through your mind when you saw it?
A.What the hell is this! At first thought it was a bear,
Q. How did you react when you saw it?
A. Stooped, thought 'what the hell', and that’s about it.
Q. What was it doing?
A. It had its hands on the stump here, then it ran down the hill there, it jumped over the stump and went down the hill.
Q. Was it hairy?
A. Yep, very hairy.
Q. Did it stand and walk upright?
Q. Did you ever see it go down on all fours?
Q. How tall would you estimate it was?
A. Standing strait, um, 7 or 8 feet?
Q. How much do you think it weighed?
A. Oh, 3 or 400 hundred pounds?
Q. Heavier than a man or lighter than a man?
A. Heavier than a man, it looked pretty built.
Q. How long did you see it for?
A. Maybe 5 or 6 seconds.
Q. Did it see you?
Q. What was it's reaction?
A. It hooft it! It ran.
Q. Did you notice any facial features?
A. No, I couldn't really see that.
Q. Could to tell if it was male or female?
A. It looked like a male.
Q. Do you have any reason for assuming that?
A. Umm. no not really, don't know what a female Sasquatch looks like?
Q. Didn't see any breasts?
A. No, nothing like that.
Q. Cold you describe its arms?
A. Long. Hands like didn't look like anything with claws, like a bear claw is different than a hand right? It had hands.
Q. So you could defiantly see what you would say were hands?
Q. Did you smell anything before, during or after?
A. No. I was having a cigar at the time so.
STEENBURG NOTE: I find I interesting that Ryan felt he had to mention a reason right away for the fact he detected no odor from the subject.
Q. Are their any other physical characteristics of this subject which stand out in your memory?
A. Umm. Super creature I guess, Ha ha.
Q. Did you check for footprints?
Q. Did you report what you saw?
A. No. I read the paper and saw Bill Millers name, but couldn't find it in the phone book so I e-mailed the Progress, and they passed it on to him.
STEENBURG NOTE: He e-mailed the Chilliwack Progress newspaper, which had ran an article on our research.
Q. Did you tell anyone else about this?
A. A few people but they didn't believe me so. Whatever.
STEENBURG NOTE: Interesting that he does not mention telling his mother?
Q. Describe your general outdoor experience for me.
A. Going up the mountain, a little bit of wheeling at night, never been here at night. That’s about it, seen that. Basically called it short after seeing that.
Q. Do you do any hunting or camping.
A. I'm not a hunter, but I like camping.
Q. No other witnesses you was alone?
Q. What do you think it was?
A. At first I thought it was a bear, but it can't be a bear so it had to be a Sasquatch.
Q. In your own words tell me what happened?
A. I was coming up the road here, round a bit of a corner, In the lights I seen something like a bear almost, But I released this couldn't be a bear. It seen me, it immediately left. All in about 5 to 6 seconds.
Q. You came to a stop?
Q. What did you do after you came to a stop?
A. It ran, than I waited another second or 2 or 3 I pulled up stuck my head out the window, and heard the loud ruckus in the bushes.
Q. You could hear that above the engine noise?
A. Oh yeah!
Q. What kind of vehicle were you driving?
A. Ford Explorer. And it's pretty loud as there is no exhaust on it. Catalytic converter is all clogged so. I have off road lights so.
Q. After this happened what did you do then?
A. I just continued up the mountain, kinda weirded out, turned around and went home.
Q. When you passed the site again on the way down did you stop?
A. I kind of went by slow and looked but I didn't get out.
Q. Has any of your friends or family members every had an incident like this before?
Q. Have you reported anything like this at any time to anyone else?
Q. Do think it was a Sasquatch you saw?
Q. Couldn't have been anything else?
A. Couldn't have been anything else. Nothing could do that, Like it was just crazy. Any man would have killed himself doing what it did.
STEENBURG NOTE: He's referring to the fact the subject jumped over the stump much as a athlete jumps the box horse in a gym. Landing on a steep slope going down hill, in the dark.
Q. Were you frightened by what you saw?
A. Yeah. Well not for my life really but you know, WOW! Shocking, you don't see those every day.
Q. I just want to clarify a little bit the way you said it was standing by the stump. You said it was standing facing the stump with its arms stretched out forward.
A. They weren't completely stretched out they were a little bit bent at the elbow. Turned its body.
Q. Turned to look at you?
Q. Than it pivoted it's self over the stump?
A. With it's legs short of walking up the thing.
Q. Did it go over the top or off to the side?
A. If it went off to the side it wouldn't be by very much. He went up over the stump maybe a bit over to the right, but he went right over that stump.
Q. So you were coming up the road, and on the passenger side you saw this thing standing facing and touching the stump? You did not see it cross the road from the left?
A. No it was just standing there the whole time.
STEENBURG NOTE: The interview at this point was continued with Bill Miller asking some questions. As we really wanted to get a clear picture of what he was describing.
Miller. O.K Ryan, I want to ask you a couple of things, and you might have already covered some of it, but I want you to really think when I ask you a question, there no real hurry, and try to give me as much information as possible. That particular night what had you been doing? What inspired you to want to come up here?
I was up here 4 by 4ing, I usually go down by the river on Gill road, but people have been burning pallets down there, so I got a few flat tires so I just started coming up here, the last 2 months or so. Never been up here at night right , so I figured I would come up at night
Miller: Now you say you were going to come up here, did you have a goal in mind? How far up you wanted to go?
Miller: Were you planing on going to the top, halfway, what did you have in mind?
Umm, I was thinking of going to the top but after seeing that, I didn't.
Miller: That’s the reason?
Miller: How much further did you go up after you saw that?
I went to the Y in the road a turned left, maybe 5 minutes more than turned around.
Miller: When you came back down were you looking to see if the animal may still be around?
Yeah I was looking. The mean reason I turned back I wanted to get the hell out of here right. What if it's back, what if they're more of them? They're only one way back down and I am not going to run the dam thing over.
Miller: I'm curious, after you saw it did you bring any family members, friends, to this spot?
I brought my mom up here a couple of days ago.
Miller: Was that before or after you read the article?
After I saw the article.
Steenburg: What's your mothers name?
Miller: when you came around the bend and first saw it, I can understand your first instinct, you not knowing what it is, Maybe assuming it's a bear. At what point, if at all, did you believe you weren't looking at a bear?
What do you mean?
Miller: Well if you thought it was a bear the whole time? I want to know.
I thought it was a bear the first second or two, but after seeing what it actually looked like right, I knew it wasn't a bear, but for a time before I saw the article I was like confused.
Miller: I don't want to put words in your mouth so give it a description other than the one you gave Thomas. Think, and if you can't fine. Lets say, I want to know if it looked umm, short legged or long legged, long upper torso, short torso. I want to know the color; I want to know was it sickly looking was it healthy looking. Was little on top big on the bottom, big on the bottom little on top? I want the best description you can give me as you were looking at that thing and seeing right now in your minds eye. What were you looking at?
Black or dark brown. The legs kinda looked a little longer than the top part of the body, the top part was wider right but he wasn't a over weight creature or anything and when it turned it didn't turn by the neck, I don't know, not like a human head or a bear head, it had no visible bear ears so umm. The arms were quite long, longer than on a human umm. I didn't get a look at its feet; cause it was dark and I didn't really look at its feet.
Steenburg; You never actually saw it walk at all did you?
No. But it was standing the whole time, went up the stump.
Miller: When it went up the stump, you were talking earlier about that, it pulled it's self up with its arms? How did it do it?
It started by pulling itself up at first. Kind of running. Like a ninja short of.
Miller: thetas your impression, like a ninja, like you see in the movies?
Yeah like that.
Miller: Using its feet up the stump?
Gorilla cross man, ninja thing. Basically to sum it up.
Miller: When it turned to look at you, did it have a snout like a bear?
Miller: How would you describe it if it didn't have that?
It wasn't a pointy nose umm. More like a face kinda.
Miller: When you say it turned, and you just demonstrated with your body turning the upper torso. What made it turn?
I think it saw my lights or head my vehicle so it turned its upper body, at the waste. Than it turned back toward the stump. A second later it was over that stump and gone>
Miller: Did you have your dims on or your Brights?
My regular head lights on and my off road lights on.
Miller: When it turned and looked at you did the eyes at all?
Miller: No eye shine?
No eye shine. That’s kind of weird.
Miller: Do you know if it looked right at the truck or down towards your lights?
It might not have looked right at it, maybe the lights blinded it but it knew something was there.
Yeah. Other wise he wouldn't have moved?
Miller: You said you stopped your truck and the engine was still running?
Miller: You could still hear it thrashing and going down the hill?
Miller: That loud?
Miller: For how long?
Umm. 10 to 15 seconds? Quite loud. Then it quiet down, than I went back up the road kind of freaked out.
Miller: The other people you told, you said that they didn't believe you.
Well you know they said things like they've seen bears standing, running, they do that all the time, they didn't believe me. I'm not going to fight with them right.
Miller: You are certain that wasn't what you saw?
It wasn't a bear, or a deer, like other people say.
Miller: When you say it was big, you talking about on top or bottom or all over?
He was built like, not all muscle right he had meat on him to. Like the upper part looked bigger. The legs were still quite big but small compared to the rest of the body it seemed. But they were longer.
Miller: Did he have a potbelly, a pooch or a pouch or anything like that?
None that I could see.
Miller: You think it was narrowed wasted? Thick, thin?
Miller: Didn't look fat though yeah?
Not fat. It wasn't skinny but it had a pretty good build on it I would say.
Miller: Do you still see it in your minds eye now?
Yeah. I still think about it all the time right. I saw what I saw.
Miller: Did you know one way or the other that there was a Sasquatch before you saw this?
Miller: You don't go out looking for Sasquatch? Don't spend time with the subject, or talk about it?
Not till this.
Steenburg: When you came up here that night did you see any other cars or people on the road?
I saw nobody when I came up the road and I saw nobody on the way down.
STEENBURG NOTE: Later that evening I telephone Ryan's mother to ask about that night, and what followed. ****** ****** said that her son seemed to very excited about what he saw, and would not be deterred the suggestions of bears or people. The whole incident was going to remain a family affair till the media story about another sighting on the same road earlier the same day appeared. He than took his mother to the location. Mrs. ****** used to live in Harrison Hot Springs on the same street as Bob Titmuss and John Green and knew both men and had heard lots of stories but she told me that her son had no interest in the subject before June 19th, 2008.