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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2008 4:57:09 GMT -5
Makes me wonder who out there is inclined to believe the albert ostman story. I conviced its fairly plasible unless he was mentally ill or with ill intent.
Are there enough large open caves in wild to realistically house our projected sasquatch population? Ideal habitats to support a clan or extended family?
Someone once told me off here that one of the postulations ? is that right spelling - lol - is that quite possibly there are clans and extended family units that are living in one place - and probably some nomadic individuals or groupings as well?
In a perfect world where would be the most ideal location to look within pacific northwest? More specific than mabey Chehalious or Harrison lake.
Ideally would the most likely place to locate it be a fairly to completely isolated land area with a fresh moving water source and adequate shelter via dense trees and or mountainous terrain?
To bad not more money for well funded scientific expeditions where they are dropped in.
How many areas such as this would we be talking about? hundreds at least?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2008 11:56:55 GMT -5
hi novicebutbeliever,
I used to believe the Ostman story, when I was like 8 years old! But lately I dont believe it, same with the PG footage, I'm not sure it's legit anymore. I used to believe it was real, but lately I'm starting to doubt it! Come on!! in 40 years since no one with all our better technology has been able to capture a squatch on film as clear as that 8 mm film taken 41 years ago!?!?! LMAO And isnt it just alittle odd that Roger Patterson and Robert Gimlin were out looking for it and just by chance managed to capture the best footage of it on film!?!?!
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Post by thomassteenburg on May 1, 2008 23:50:24 GMT -5
Actually they were down in the Bluff Creek area hoping to get film of tracks. By the same logic you are ascribing all researchers today will have to have any future video evidence questioned do to the fact they were looking for Sasquatch in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2008 9:35:56 GMT -5
It takes a lot to shake the scepticism in some people, I think in't in their genes. Some of my friends and relatives who have seen this picture taken by my trail camera are convinced but a few aren't. Even some fellow Sasquatch searchers aren't too convinced. Even if you get the definative footage there are always going to be a large number of people calling you a hoaxer. This is picture 3 of 3 that were taken (camera takes 3 shots when triggered then waits 1 minute) and clearest of the head. Shot 1 is more underexposed and shot 2 vaguely shows a newborn? baby at her left shoulder. The head is positioned differently in each shot.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2008 9:45:26 GMT -5
By the same logic you are ascribing all researchers today will have to have any future video evidence questioned do to the fact they were looking for Sasquatch in the first place. Thomas Steenburg Hi Thomas! You seem to live in my television set!! LOL You keep showing up here and there on different sasquatch documentaries. It's a pleasure discussing this with you. Well of course! That logic makes sense! Not just for me but for the whole world of skeptics! Of course it would have to be real real clear footage and not just some black blobs in the brush, like most footage we get these days, even the Freeman footage, which is pretty convincing is just that, black blob in the brush! Probably the best I've seen second to the PG film, then I would say it's the Memorial day footage of the one running across the hillside, that would be hard to do with a gorilla suit on! But still it's just odd that in 41 years since the PG incident on film (and I do see the muscles flexing, and the fur hair line down the back, the bottom of the feet, those soles, they do look kind of fake, like slipper soles or something, and that weird buldge over the knee, like a tumor or something, that's weird too) I just think that in 41 years we ought to have had atleast something as close to or better then the PG film! It's like Patterson and Gimlin conspired with Patty and paid her as an animal actor or something, like she was trained to walk in the clear and not run off into the brush. Some people say Patty's behaviour was due to her young ones being in the area and she was drawing P & G's attention to her instead of her youngs!?!? Same with the Ostman story! How come no one has been kidnapped by a family of sasquatches and then escaped since Ostman, it's as if the squatches who kidnapped Ostman spread the word that we humans now carry real powerful chewing tobacco or something (and if I were a tobacco executive I would of used this story in the same way as Kokanee beer has used sasquatch, but I'm not and it's now illegal to market tobacco products so that's out of the question) and it's as if Patty went and warned every other squatch out there that we now have cameras!?!? Another incident I am questionning more and more lately is the Ape Canyon story, hell I would even question my own story of vocalizations and hand and feet prints in the Edmonton river valley if I wouldnt of heard them and later on seen the prints myself, I wouldnt believe my story either if I were you or anyone else, so I dont blame anyone or myself! I'm still a skeptic even though I know what I heard and saw. I'm just playing devil's advocate so I know what to expect when I do get some kind of evidence. It's like the Skookum cast, some say bigfoot, I say elk! Though it could very well be I'm going to play devil's advocate shaving with Occam's razor for the benefit of all those in the field so they dont end up making fools of themselves like many do. This is how I felt (like a fool) when I was welcomed into the community and it thought me a lesson, seems tuffyy learnt it aswell but decided he wouldnt put up with it and left! I'm not leaving! I can take the heat! I'm not getting out of the kitchen, I'm still young aswell! Only 31! I've only just begun.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2008 10:28:23 GMT -5
It takes a lot to shake the scepticism in some people, I think in't in their genes. Even if you get the definative footage there are always going to be a large number of people calling you a hoaxer. hi Bear Hunter! I see another Grimace! ! It seems Grimace the McDonalds guy is running around the woods alot! lol This isnt the first pic of a supposed squatch that reminds me of Grimace!! Though like you say some people have scepticism in their genes, I'm the opposite, or atleast I used to be the opposite. I'd believe everything and anything, but I've since changed so I no longer end up a fool! The only thing I believe these days are my own experiences. you know what they say.. "fool me once.. shame on.. shame on you... you fool me cant get fooled again"! Oh sorry that's Dubyah! the right expression is "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me! This is the reason I am now very very skeptical! I do believe there is something there in that gamecam shot of yours, I'll have to wait to get home and make the picture into a negative to see if I can see something more than Grimace! Thanks for sharing it Bear Hunter!
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2008 15:58:20 GMT -5
Bear Hunter,
Nice work!I trust this photo was taken close to where you and D.S. heard a wood knock in response to your screams?P.M. me when you get a chance, I'd like to try and get out that way on May 10 or 11, or even just get into Golden Ears for a few hours.I put together a few of my own tree markers in that park and surrounding area back in Feb. and I would'nt mind seeing if anything has dismantled them or made any additions.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2008 16:47:44 GMT -5
baby at her left shoulder. Bear Hunter I'm at home looking at it!! It does appear to be a baby on the shoulder!!! Congratulations sir! I wonder who the lucky father is?!
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2008 17:33:56 GMT -5
Bear Hunter this is a cool pic! I guess it's hard to see on this message board, but I've been messing around with it using Sony Vegas movie studio, doing all kinds of effects in lighting and zooming in and stuff. The baby's face looks like a squirrel monkey's face! Well that's what I see. So to play the devil's advocate, do you know anyone who has a pet squirrel monkey who would know of your game cams locations and would go out in a gorilla suit with their pet squirrel monkey on their shoulder?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2008 21:37:15 GMT -5
Chungasrevenge, you are correct. With hunters like us building tree markers, how are we going to know what's what? Here is picture 2 which has a much clearer side view of the baby's head. Brow ridge and deep wrinkles in the forehead (almost looks like a star trek species)lol. I am only posting low res pictures in order to keep some control of them. It looks like mother and child are looking at each other.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2008 23:37:19 GMT -5
alright this one pic 2 at first I couldnt see anything. but once again fooling around with lighting and zooming in I am blown away! I can see the brow ridge and face! it doesnt really look like a squirrel monkey anymore! more chimp like! excellent stuff Bear Hunter!
So if I'm understanding this correctly, you are making markers!!?!?!? to kind of get the sasquatches to follow them right into your game cam shots!?!?
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2008 0:37:56 GMT -5
No, I'm not building markers but it sounds like ChungusRevenge is. I've heard of someone who purposely rearranged sticks in a real marker to see what would happen - they were restored to their original configuration (they must be neat freaks). With the number of hunters out there prossibly outnumbering the Sasquatch, you have to wonder whether that scream or knock you hear is the real thing. Personally, I have never seen a marker I would attribute to sasquatch.
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Post by thomassteenburg on May 3, 2008 5:46:08 GMT -5
By the same logic you are ascribing all researchers today will have to have any future video evidence questioned do to the fact they were looking for Sasquatch in the first place. Thomas Steenburg Hi Thomas! You seem to live in my television set!! LOL You keep showing up here and there on different sasquatch documentaries. It's a pleasure discussing this with you. Well of course! That logic makes sense! Not just for me but for the whole world of skeptics! Of course it would have to be real real clear footage and not just some black blobs in the brush, like most footage we get these days, even the Freeman footage, which is pretty convincing is just that, black blob in the brush! Probably the best I've seen second to the PG film, then I would say it's the Memorial day footage of the one running across the hillside, that would be hard to do with a gorilla suit on! But still it's just odd that in 41 years since the PG incident on film (and I do see the muscles flexing, and the fur hair line down the back, the bottom of the feet, those soles, they do look kind of fake, like slipper soles or something, and that weird buldge over the knee, like a tumor or something, that's weird too) I just think that in 41 years we ought to have had atleast something as close to or better then the PG film! It's like Patterson and Gimlin conspired with Patty and paid her as an animal actor or something, like she was trained to walk in the clear and not run off into the brush. Some people say Patty's behaviour was due to her young ones being in the area and she was drawing P & G's attention to her instead of her youngs!?!? Same with the Ostman story! How come no one has been kidnapped by a family of sasquatches and then escaped since Ostman, it's as if the squatches who kidnapped Ostman spread the word that we humans now carry real powerful chewing tobacco or something (and if I were a tobacco executive I would of used this story in the same way as Kokanee beer has used sasquatch, but I'm not and it's now illegal to market tobacco products so that's out of the question) and it's as if Patty went and warned every other squatch out there that we now have cameras!?!? Another incident I am questionning more and more lately is the Ape Canyon story, hell I would even question my own story of vocalizations and hand and feet prints in the Edmonton river valley if I wouldnt of heard them and later on seen the prints myself, I wouldnt believe my story either if I were you or anyone else, so I dont blame anyone or myself! I'm still a skeptic even though I know what I heard and saw. I'm just playing devil's advocate so I know what to expect when I do get some kind of evidence. It's like the Skookum cast, some say bigfoot, I say elk! Though it could very well be I'm going to play devil's advocate shaving with Occam's razor for the benefit of all those in the field so they dont end up making fools of themselves like many do. This is how I felt (like a fool) when I was welcomed into the community and it thought me a lesson, seems tuffyy learnt it aswell but decided he wouldnt put up with it and left! I'm not leaving! I can take the heat! I'm not getting out of the kitchen, I'm still young aswell! Only 31! I've only just begun. hello foreststealth I know what you mean when you say why in the 41 years since the p/g film has no one been able to get anything as good? I have asked myself the same question many,many times over the years believe me. why has it not happened? I have no answer. there are a few possible video and film of a Sasquatch taken since then, but unfortunately the close up quality that we all hope for so far has not been forth coming. But we continue to try. Bill miller and myself will be out yet again this weekend trying. But lets face it, this creature is very elusive by nature and the odds are stacked against us. Another unfortunate reality is anything less clear than the P/G film will not do for evidence ether. Bear hunter. I think you did indeed catch something there but for the life of me I can not see what you guys see?? Does anybody have the means to lighten this photo up at all? Did this happen in the same area where you found tracks a few years ago? There is something there but to me it looks like a bear standing up against a tree?? I,m afraid thats what most skeptics will say unless it can be shown otherwise. Well done though Bear hunter. Thomas Steenburg
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2008 12:35:50 GMT -5
Bear hunter. I think you did indeed catch something there but for the life of me I can not see what you guys see?? Does anybody have the means to lighten this photo up at all? Did this happen in the same area where you found tracks a few years ago? There is something there but to me it looks like a bear standing up against a tree?? I,m afraid thats what most skeptics will say unless it can be shown otherwise. Well done though Bear hunter. Thomas Steenburg I've done some enhancements but would rather send them personally to Bear Hunter and he can decide whether or not he would like to post them or not. I do not want to step on anyone's toes. These pics are his to post or not to post. I will pm Bear Hunter and ask him for his email address to send them to him and he can post them as I am not sure how to upload a pic on this forum without going thru imageshack! So it will be up to Bear Hunter whether or not these enhanced pics make it onto the forum.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2008 12:51:12 GMT -5
hello foreststealth I know what you mean when you say why in the 41 years since the p/g film has no one been able to get anything as good? I have asked myself the same question many,many times over the years believe me. why has it not happened? I have no answer. there are a few possible video and film of a Sasquatch taken since then, but unfortunately the close up quality that we all hope for so far has not been forth coming. But we continue to try. Bill miller and myself will be out yet again this weekend trying. But lets face it, this creature is very elusive by nature and the odds are stacked against us. Another unfortunate reality is anything less clear than the P/G film will not do for evidence ether. Thomas Steenburg you know I often wonder if there are real cases out there similar to the alleged Carter farm where some form of habituation has happened with these animals but the land owners probably feel by keeping quiet they are doing a better job at protecting these animals then actually calling in the sasquatch investigators, fortunately or unfortunately for us and them. Good Luck Good Hunting Thomas & Bill!
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