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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2005 14:49:52 GMT -5
Has human DNA ever been linked to Sasquatch? Has anyone ever heard reports of this happening?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2005 17:36:17 GMT -5
...I don't know as this is absolute, but it rates great interest. Since I don't have the sender's permission to post, (misfiled his email address) so I'll leave his name out and post just the core. You'll get the idea.
Sierra4 - --- In analyzing a pile of scat found in a loft on the Janice Carter-Coy farm in Tennessee:
WD wrote: Right. It was initially unclear to me, too. Like everybody else, I expected BF to have some unique sort of DNA which had never been seen before, or whatever. I had the first DNA studies of Carter Farm hair and scat performed by a world class lab with a background in identifying animal traces through DNA, by a scientist with a major reputation and a background in gorilla DNA studies. Surprisingly, he found dog and bat DNA in the scat, and mentioned human DNA which he said was contamination.
The problem with these results were: 1) I collected the scat under clean conditions (new disposable gloves, new plastic ziplock bag, brand new putty knife cleaned with alcohol before use). 2) The scat was in the loft of a barn, elevated about seven feet up without a ladder for access. 3) There was about 200lbs of the stuff, roughly human sized although somewhat dessicated (original size was likely larger). It was naturally deposited and showed no signs of having been transported there or in any way fabricated.
A scientist of my acquaintance suggested that dogs have been known to jump surprisingly high, but for a dog, or dogs, to repeatedly manage to find a way into this loft by jumping, and then to deposit such a large amount of scat, strains credulity beyond the reasonable. The scat was obviously too large to be from bats. So we are left with people. Would people eat dogs and possibly bats and then, time after time, climb up into a remote barn loft and defecate? There were definately dead dogs in evidence around the Carter Farm, including a skeletonized one hanging in a tree.
Other researchers were also finding human DNA "through contamination" on various bits of BF physical evidence. In "Legend Meets Science" the DNA scientist is disappointed to find human DNA on the BF physical evidence. But was it really contamination? A scientist in Michigan began to independently suspect that the human DNA he was getting from various purported BF hair samples was, in fact, not contamination but from BF. He analyzed a sample of Carter Farm hair which had been verified by Dr. Fahrenbach as meeting his standard for probably BF hair and again got human DNA. So he tried an experiment: he deliberately contaminated dog and cat hair with human DNA and tested it. They tested to be dog and cat hair.
Dr. Fahrenbach says that BF hair, like some human hair, doesn't yield DNA well. But part of his opinion is based on the fact that his previous attempts to get DNA from BF hair never came up with anything but human DNA, which he and his associates assumed was due to contamination. He was rethinking this the last time I discussed it with him.
It is thought that our close relatives, meaning other members of the species Homo, and perhaps other closely related hominids of unknown types, would have nuclear DNA matching the human pattern. Without having knowledge of what differences would be there, and at which point of the genome to look for them, we don't presently know how their DNA would differ from ours. A matching program would most likely just assign it to "human". At least one scientist is examining this DNA for likely sites on the genome which may decisively show differences from our own.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2005 19:06:19 GMT -5
Firstly, I would like to welcome you to the West Coast Sasquatch Research forum, sierra4. Hope you have some fun here, and that you will enjoy sharing your thoughts with all of us on the forum. Secondly, that is some very interesting information in your post regarding the possible human DNA being possibly linked to Sasquatch. Who would have thought it? Perhaps a good number of the North American Native Indian tribes have always been correct in their claims that Sasquatch was a wild man of the woods? Personally I have always thought Sasquatch was above the great apes in intelligence. If I'm not badly mistaken, no human being has been able to outsmart one..yet. Bushman
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2005 21:06:44 GMT -5
True. ...and thank you! No ape has ever evolved to walk upright as a normal course of locomotion like the sasquatch does. There are no napes, apes, chimpanzee-like apes in the Southern States as some books suggest....maybe pets, loosed or escaped zoo or circus apes, but no chimp-like sasquatches.
I don't pretend to know what the sasquatch is, but to see it ... is not seeing an ape ... not as in chimpanzee, orangs or gorillas. I think the Indians have been "right on" all along...
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Post by Thomas Steenburg on Jul 7, 2005 17:25:24 GMT -5
The problems with the latest claim from Carter-Coy farm in Tennessee is the reliability of the circumstances in which this sample was collected. jugging from past stories from this farm, this has to be first question? Second D.N.A. from droppings are far less telling than from hair. Due to the fact your more likely to get readings from what the subject ate, rather than the depositor it's self. Thomas Steenburg ???
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2005 15:55:57 GMT -5
Respectfully Thomas, I wonder who has colored your thoughts on the Carter-Coy farm? Is this the remarks of a man with objective thought processes or have you been listening to those who haven't been on the farm? Not that I am any great advocate, but try communicating with Will Duncan, Igor Bourtsev, or Fahrenbach. The latter has been analyzing Tennessee hairs since 1997 or '98. The Tennessee ladies sent hairs to Jack Sullivan, Henner, and I believe I have samples of those hairs.
The "human" findings are intriguing but not complete by any mens. Depending on how deep they dug for the scat sample, any human who has been in that barn in the last year would have to be sampled. If the scat sample that was analyzed had dried and turned white, (sorry if that's gross) they will have to test individuals further back than a year to rule out human contributions however that might have occurred and do not to rule out humans who transported the sample to the lab.
It would be helpful to know if there was present in the analyzed sample any processed food products. Cooked byproducts would also lend interest. What vegetation was in the scat? Is everything found in the scat (in particular vegetation) native to the region? So many details, forensics ought to get involved and that written report I'd like to read before passing judgment.
Bobbie Short The shaking lower West Coast
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Post by Thomas Steenburg on Jul 8, 2005 18:11:32 GMT -5
;)I have always had trouble with stories from folks who claim multiple close encounters over years with sasquatch on their own property, yet can't produce a single photo,video or anything else to back up such claims. Yet they can describe and sometimes photo large droppings, twisted tree limbs, dead dogs, and we are expected just to take their word that a sasquatch is responsible? A creature in this case which has come right up to the house on occasion for food handouts! I all so don't buy the "We don't take pictures cause we don't want Bigfoot hunters running around all over the place". If that was a true concern they never would have mentioned the on going events in the first place. No body has colored my thoughts on the Carter-Coy farm, it"s just simple common sense. If it turns out that all this is true I will be the first to cheer. Thomas Steenburg
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Post by Gerry on Jul 9, 2005 14:34:25 GMT -5
I have to agree with Thomas on this one.Over the years there has been many claims made about the Carter farm. And until this very day not one person has come forth with any evidence to back up those claims. With this latest..there is no way to rule out humans as the source of the scat!
By the way welcome welcome welcome Bobbie! It is a great pleasure to have you here!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2005 14:59:32 GMT -5
I concur with Thomas and GC. Everything from the farm is not just thin; it is anorexiant at best.
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Post by cc2 on Jul 10, 2005 4:19:22 GMT -5
So we are left with people. Would people eat dogs and possibly bats and then, time after time, climb up into a remote barn loft and defecate? this the carter farm were talking about. i dont put anything past them.lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2005 4:22:54 GMT -5
above post was mine. i didnt sign back in first. i just wanted to claim ownership incase the ahm crap hits the carter fan or loft as it were. ;D
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Post by Bill Miller on Jul 12, 2005 6:53:34 GMT -5
;)I have always had trouble with stories from folks who claim multiple close encounters over years with sasquatch on their own property, yet can't produce a single photo,video or anything else to back up such claims. Yet they can describe and sometimes photo large droppings, twisted tree limbs, dead dogs, and we are expected just to take their word that a sasquatch is responsible? A creature in this case which has come right up to the house on occasion for food handouts! I all so don't buy the "We don't take pictures cause we don't want Bigfoot hunters running around all over the place". If that was a true concern they never would have mentioned the on going events in the first place. No body has colored my thoughts on the Carter-Coy farm, it"s just simple common sense. If it turns out that all this is true I will be the first to cheer. Thomas Steenburg Yeh, the Coy sasquatch even knows what type of Garlic to ask for ... I didn't even know there were such choices or that one was better than the other! Also, in as much as the Mannitoba footage was a disappointment ... at least Clark served up some blurry images to look at. As far as DNA goes ... where can one find the lab results on this matter? Was it a solid piece of stool that had multiple DNA's in it or was it a mixture of several stools blended together and a sample taken from that? There is a difference! Anyone can pick up several piles of scat and mix them and then take a sample of that mixture to make it appear that the depositor had multiple DNA's in its stool. Without all the facts being known, one is only left to rely on the credibility of the person who is pushing the story and while entertaining ... it is not good enough by any reasonable standard. I recall once taking a large overdue dump down by the beach on Harrison Lake just before daylight and just after dawn and before breakfast there was a film crew who had been there at the time down by the water filming it. (I had placed my toliet paper in a bag and driven it to the nearby dump so no one saw it on the ground where my stool was.) I could barely keep from laughing when I heard the film crew talking about its size and the mysterious way it got there. The fact that it was found next to a tire track should have told them something. One thing I am sure of ... it too had human DNA in it.
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Post by Joe Buffalo on Jul 29, 2005 14:11:29 GMT -5
Has human DNA ever been linked to Sasquatch? Has anyone ever heard reports of this happening? Man you people got to stay off the booze get help or something next youl see flying pink elephants
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Post by Thomas Steenburg on Jul 29, 2005 16:45:38 GMT -5
;)In answer to Joe Buffalo's questions A, No. B, No Flying pink elephants? You need to contact E. Beckjord, for that information. Thomas Steenburg
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