Is Sasquatch really North America's great ape?

[sebastian]

Human taxonomy is a very tricky business. The evolutionary transition from one form to another is based on morphology and cultural technology. It is important to note that the morphology can be shaped by cultural technology. For example, the increase use of fire for cooking can result in weaker jaw bones (in evolution, the ones with weaker jaws would survived). But if this technology is only retricted to a small number of tribes; that means other tribes without the technology will look difference in time. Are they two different species? I don't think so. Taxonomy becomes increasely diffcult when culture is involved.
The main question is how would human look like if all cultural technologies were lost prior to the Pleistocene ice age and when physical evolution kicked in?

[Gerry]

vilnoori wrote:

OddlAs you probably know, some stories exist of sasquatch also coming to like cooked food and interbreeding with modern humans.

Oddly enough..it seems that the dangerous threatening, woman screwing, sasquatch was a product of the times when these stories came out in the North American press...which were back at the turn of the century.
I have read no reports of such activity since back in the early 30's. Things that make you go Hmmmm....!

[rastaman]

How many people here have read John A. Bindernagel's book, "North America's Great Ape: the Sasquatch".

I found it a great read. He covers numerous sightings that he has personally investigated on Vancouver Island and along the coast of the mainland B.C.

I met the man during one of his seminars on Bigfoot, when I lived in Courtenay, B.C. during the early nineties. Saw many of his footprint evidence photos taken by loggers and hikers in the area. He's been studying the Sasquatch and investigating sightings since 1975.

He believes that the Sasquatch is simply a North American great ape that behaves like other great apes, but in low numbers. I found him to be an all around genuine person seeking answers to this mystery.

But as we all know, only a body will prove the existence of a Sasquatch to the world.

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bushman said:

I would like to hear what others think; is Sasquatch North America's great ape or some type of wild man of the mountains?

The following excerpt is from MEET the SASQUATCH, by Christopher L. Murphy (page 31):

MY SEARCH FOR B.C.'S GIANT INDIANS

by JOHN W. BURNS

Do the hairy, 8-feet tall Sasquatch still live? I have spent over 16 years, as a teacher at the Chehalis Indian Reserve, seeking them.

I have spent more than 16 years trying to track down in the unexplored wilds of British Columbia, Canada's most elusive tribe of Indians. They are the mysterious Sasquatch — wild giants eight feet tall, covered from head to toe with black, woolly hair.

My search for these primitive creatures began in 1925 when, after serving on the Vancouver Sun, I was appointed teacher for the Chehalis Indian Reserve. Here, buried in the bush by the banks of the Harrison River, B.C., some 60 miles from Vancouver, my wife and I have been friends for 16 years with the Chehalis Indians.

Because they knew I wouldn't taunt them, my Chehalis neighbors revealed to me the secrets of the Sasquatch — details never confided to any white man before. The older Indians called the tribe "Saskehavis," literally "wild men." I named them "Sasquatch," which can be translated freely into English as "hairy giants."

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Wow vilnoori/Sandy you rock! "in Africa and have had extensive time socializing with monkeys"!!

I also love studies on feral children/wild children.

So I take it you are familiar with these ladies then?

Chloe Cipoletta, Linda Marie Fedigan and "Leaky's Angels" aka Fossey, Galdikas and Goodall.

for those who arent.

Chloe Cipoletta a 32-year-old Italian conservationist in the African Dzanga-Sangha region habituating western lowland gorillas.

Linda Marie Fedigan (b. 1949) is currently a professor and Canada Research Chair in Primatology and Bioanthropology at the University of Calgary, Alberta. In addition, Fedigan is also the Executive Editor of the American Journal of Primatology and a fellow of the Royal Society of Canada. Prior to accepting her current position, Dr. Fedigan was a professor at the University of Alberta, teaching anthropology from 1974 until 2001. She is internationally recognized for over 30 years of contribution to the study of primate life history, reproduction, socioecology and conservation and is considered a major authority on the life history and reproductive patterns of female primates
Fedigan's focus is on social structure, sex differences, reproduction, behavioural ecology and conservation of Costa Rica and Japanese monkeys.

"Leaky's Angels"

Dian Fossey (1932-1985) was an American zoologist who completed an extended study of eight gorilla groups. She observed them daily for years in the mountain forests of Rwanda, initially encouraged to work there by famous paleontologist Louis Leakey.

Birute Galdikas acknowledged as the world's leading authority on orangutans, born in 1946 in Germany, lives in British Columbia, Canada where she lectures at Simon Fraser University in Vancouver. However she spends at least half of the year in Borneo Indonesia studying and working with the orangutans.

Jane Goodall born April 3 1934 primatologist, ethologist, and anthropologist. She is best-known for her study of chimpanzee social and family life in Gombe Stream National Park, Tanzania, for 45 years, and for founding the Jane Goodall Institute.

Really extraordinary women!!!!!!
Maxim.

[vilnoori]

LOL I'm in no way like those ladies! But as a baby I was raised with a baby monkey and as I grew I always had a pet monkey with me up to the age of 18 when I left home. I know monkey non-verbal language very well. However, I've never had a long experience with a troupe of monkeys although I've spend some time watching baboons in the wild.

One thing I'll say, and that is that monkeys are extremely selfish. I can think of no case when I saw alruistic behaviour in the monkeys I knew. There would certainly be no trading or gift giving behaviour from Sasquatches (other than to babies) if they are still apelike in behaviour. That's something that is human-like. But I would expect a very keen sense of hierarchy to exist if they live in any kinds of groups. And if you met one you'd really need to watch out about your non-verbal or body language, especially your mouth and eyes. Sitting down would be a wise first move, and then looking at it only out of the corner of your eyes. Grooming or playing with something in your hands or on the ground would be good, it would make them curious and show them your behaviour is non-threatening. Don't yawn or show your teeth, no smiling with mouth open.

Standing, yelling, pointing, staring, and trying to catch them is NOT the way to go. And if faced by threatening behaviour, get out or try to avoid it, since they're bigger than you, you're probably outnumbered and you are on their territory. Even so, come back, and often, and they might just get used to you, especially if you bring food.

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I concur vilnoori! Eye contact would be bad! Crouching down into a low position would be good! Grooming oneself! HA! Havent thought of that! Play with a branch or start making noise by ripping leaves and pretend to be eating them. I dont know? It works with the lowland gorillas! I watched this documentary about Chloe Cipolletta and that's how they were getting them used to their human presence.

What's funny is that the gorilla human habituators also making clucking popping like sounds with their tongues to let them know they are in the area as the gorillas also make those sounds, so they mimick them. What's funny is that there are reports of sasquatch also making popping nasal like sounds, well thats what I read from a few reports from a few hunters who were up in a tree stand, they mentionned it was making a nasal like teeth popping sound over and over again, it never saw them but the aw it.

Yeah maybe I watch to many Animal Planet documentaries! LOL
I'm getting a pick up truck soon so I wont be sitting around infront of the tv much, I'll be out in the field. But I've been practising! Figure it's like martial arts! The more you practise and train yourself the better you'll be able to respond when and if the event ever occurs and not be in that state of shock looking like a deer caught in the headlights!

There's so many excellent groups of researchers out there and there are also a whole lot more independent researchers who dont post or correspond with the known groups. Hats off to you, everyone here and all those other groups!

[vilnoori]

Ha, that's right! Monkeys make that sound too. I remember doing it as a prelude to grooming, you spend a lot of time with monkeys grooming each other when you interact with them. Well, we pretend, and they really do it. It's kind of a mouth smacking sound, like if you were anticipating eating something good, or pretending to eat.

They also will turn and "present butt" to each other, which is an act of submission. I'm not sure I'd go that far in the field, however, you never know how they'd react. lol Especially if they're actually more human than ape! Might consider it an invitation!

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vilnoori said:

They also will turn and "present butt" to each other, which is an act of submission. I'm not sure I'd go that far in the field, however, you never know how they'd react. lol Especially if they're actually more human than ape! Might consider it an invitation!

LMAO literally would... wouldnt it! yeah as much as this monkey sees and monkey does that's one thing I wont "lower" myself to! LOL plus I'm a male! But it might work for you vilnoori!! LOL
For some reason I'm reminded of the King Kong and Mighty Joe Young movies!!! LOL

Has anyone here ever used pheromone chips in the field???
And if so how successful were they??

GLGH!

[vilnoori]

Doesn't matter if they're male or female, they all do it, especially as an alternative to getting beat up. Civilization has it's benefits!

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here is a thing, we can NEVER know for sure what the Sasquatch or any other humanoid giants all over the world that people have claimed to seen, until we can get a clear good long look at this Sasquatch, have him on film, take pictures, test it, etc
there are just far too many possiblities, but as far as i'm concerned, i have no idea what this thing is

[vilnoori]

More info on Homo floresiensis, "Hobbit man."

www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/19827819.html

Notice the fellow's comment about the article at bottom, he thinks H. floresiensis are actually australopithecines. I personally think the tool use indicated combined with the small size and the intricate brain structure points to habilines.