Lake Monsters Vs Sasquatch

[sebastian]

Some cryptozoologists rather go after lake monsters than sasquatch. Why? Because some lakes containing monsters have pubs and bars located on the shore. Well, sitting by the window, a pair of binoculars, order a few drinks, and you are set for the expedition. Sasquatching, on the other hand, you have to eat power bars, stay warm and dry, and have to wear gum boots. ( just joking).
Here is the actually question:
Do you think that it is easier to spot a lake monster than a sasquatch? Most lakes containing monsters have a finite area to search. But then you can't see them if they don't surface. Sasquatch, on the other hand, may pop up anywhere outside cities (in the rural area and wilderness).
cheers,
seb

[thomassteenburg]

Apples and oranges. Two totaly differant mysterys. Thats like saying which is more of a mans game, Hockey or baseball?

Thomas Steenburg

P.S. Hockey of course!

[sebastian]

Yeah, but I am talking about the chances. In one, you have a rather finite area (surface) to search and the creatures have a much large volume (3-D) to hide (below surface). Sasquatch, on the other hand, mostly travel on land surface (2-D), but cover a vast area.
Be honest, I think that, theoratically, it is easier to find sasquatch than any lake monster.
cheers,
seb

[Gerry]

panleoatrox said:

Yeah, but I am talking about the chances. In one, you have a rather finite area (surface) to search and the creatures have a much large volume (3-D) to hide (below surface). Sasquatch, on the other hand, mostly travel on land surface (2-D), but cover a vast area.
Be honest, I think that, theoratically, it is easier to find sasquatch than any lake monster.
cheers,
seb

I totally agree. Just for the fact..as you mentioned..that the only research area that most cryptolzoologist's ever get to study is water surface. Talk about the tip of the ice burg in the area that this creature has in which to roam freely unobserved.
If you do not have a lot of expensive underwater equiptment..then you might as well sit out on the pub deck with a good pair of binoculars! imho

[Deleted]

We are raising the question of 'how to monitor for Loch Ness-type creatures'? Sasquatch hunters have been known to employ thermal imaging equipment. We need to ask; what equipment is at the disposal of lake monster hunters? For the purposes of this discussion let's restrict our discussion to shore-based observation techniques.

Well, PC-based digital video recording (dvr) has come a long way. One can precisely tweak what constitutes motion to initiate motion-activated recording to hard-drive. This is eminently suited for autonomous, year-round observation. Look up 'quad processors' and/or 'dvr' on your favourite online auction site.

If cost is of no concern one could pull all the stops and employ long-range thermal cameras for high contrast 24/7 monitoring (thermal cams image far better in foggy or hazy environments (than normal 'optical' cameras) .. and work equally well day or night .. they don't need any light .. just thermal contrast). Conduct an image search for 'long-range thermal cameras'.

False alarms would include pleasure boats. It's not inconceivable that one could employ acoustic hydrophone monitoring to recognize propellor noise and limit the amount of video being captured. Todays dvr's can readily store hours and hours of video .. it's just tedious to have to review all the potential boat-based false alarms.

In all of this we are assuming the creature to have at least a degree or two of temperature difference when compared to the air temperature immediately above the surface of the water. Thermal imaging does not penetrate water ... it will however image a thermal wake as it appears on the surface of the water.

The key to success is having a secure monitoring site with a nicely tuned system.

Just to really round things out .. one could employ AI to review footage and spot subtle thermal signatures as opposed to the stark contrast as presented by boat motors. We would expect a data-file full of canoeists and kayakers with the possibility of the occassional cryptid rearing it's ugly head.

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[vilnoori]

Well Lake Monster researchers might have it cushy, but they have to carry much more expense. And it seems the most sightings occur for ordinary people that happen to live on the lake and walk their dogs on the shore, or kids playing, or just getting up early to enjoy the view, rather than for the big fancy hi-tech researchers.

Speaking of hi-tech, my digital microscope arrives this week. I will be able to examine and digitally photograph microscopically enhanced views of hair samples, dermal ridges, etc. So bring 'em on, guys! I can of course post data here or elsewhere online for everyone to judge for themselves.

[Deleted]

My suggestion is for 24/7 autonomous monitoring .. basically plugging all the leaks and calling on the big guns to capture some forensically reasonably reliable evidence. If there ever was an elusive cryptid it's Nessie.

As for digital microscopes I read a tech-tip that doesn't seem all that unreasonable. Visa vis. homespun digital microscope. Get a surplus web cam. Grab an old CD or DVD player. Take a piece of cardboard. Punch a hole in the cardboard. Pop the laser lens out of the CD/DVD reader ... fit it into or onto the hole in the cardboard. Unscrew the lens of your surplus webcam .. find the correct focal distance for imaging through this CD laser lens ... put some putty (play-doh) to affix the cardboard/lens combination at the right distance. Store this in a box or better yet mount this in a box with a view port . Supposed to provide upwards of 200 times magnification. Good for among other things, finding those elusive potentially pain-full little splinters we all pickup once in a while and have trouble getting a good fix on them. Just a suggestion : ) Trust this as of some utility. Let me know if anyone gets any reasonable results - show us your 'dermal ridges' : )

[vilnoori]

Well it arrived! It was pretty inexpensive and I don't have to do all that thinking, just plug it in and play.

[rastaman]

Some believe in the Cadborosaurus which frequent the southern area of Vancouver Island. Check out the website below. I've never seen one, but it could be possible that some prehistoric creatures still may exist in the vast ocean world.

www.members.shaw.ca/caddyscan/

[Armand71]

I lived in Winnipeg for most of my life and heard the story of the Manopogo which is a Nessie type of monster. About 10 years ago some commercial fisherman caught what they believe was the " monster ". It was a huge water snake, about 20 feet long and black. It was such an astonishing article which included a picture that it was buried somewhere in the middle of the paper at the bottom left hand corner.... very tiny. I think sasquatch wins this one.

[vilnoori]

If you can figure out the newspaper, and the relative date of publication, you could phone the local public library and they'd scan the microfilms to get that article for you. You can ask them to scan it and email or fax it to you. We'd love to see it!

[Cryptosaurian]

Oh boy....*thinks thoughtfully for a while*
Personally, because I live on Lake Okanagan I'd usually go for lake monsters. A, because the area is much more familiar to me than a thick forest (which means joining more sasquatch field excursions for me . B, you can go to any beach or land and settle in. C, a lot of sightings happened near the mentioned spots and D, if you ever get hot on a sunny day and want to go a for a dip, then the lake can be a handy way to cool off..... I did it and I had/have no regrets!

On the other hand, sasquatch does have its pros too so who am I to say which is better?

[Cryptosaurian]

Hi guys, here is an interesting video of something unseeen swimming in a river by a boater; this time no shakinbess or blurry quality!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d_XuoiLPns

[sawone]

I found it impossible to tell if that was an object moving upstream, or a fixed object, such as a deadhead (submerged log) with the river current breaking over it. There is no scale to judge whether the wake is moving upstream relative to the shoreline, or not. The apparent motion of the subject relative to the boat could easily be the boat drifting downstream each time the operator stops the motor, then restarts to catch up/ move back upstream. The fact that the subject does not submerge or change course when the boat comes very close is a red flag to me, as well. Inconclusive.

[Cryptosaurian]

Hell guys, Leviathan here! Just want to bring to your attention (I'm looking at you, westerncanadian) of an interesting announcement made by the Youtube channel LAND-SEA-AIR CANADA. This channel (you guys probably already knows this) has covered Sasquatch reports as well as aquatic cryptids like Cadborosaurus and a creature seen in Hicks Lake in the 1980's.

This video is announcing and previewing a documentary set for 11/2018 about lake and marine cryptids, with interviews who reported to have witnessed such creatures in British Columbias seaways, oceanside areas and freshwater lakes. Don't know about you guys, but I'll be looking forward to that one.

And their sasquatch material is absolutely enthralling; the beautiful scenery and vastness of the BC wilderness in their videos is stunning and always reminds me of how much wilderness is unexplored---The Last Frontier, as thomassteenburg calls it.

But, what do you guys think of this announcement by LAND SEA AIR CANADA?