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Post by sebastian on Jul 4, 2005 22:37:34 GMT -5
I heard of those rumors before about the possible Sasquatch "migration" route between the north end of Stave Lake and mid-Harrison Lake. When I check on my topographic map, the only possible way that connect the two lakes is the Winslow valley. Now, I heard of this possible route from a few individuals that don't know each other. Obviously, this rumor has to come from somewhere. I've checked Green's books, he didn't write about it. Does anyone know about this rumor? One person told me that females and youngsters travel along this valley while males establish defined home ranges. Essentially, this is an orangutan model. There is no evidence to support his statement, but sometimes I think that it is logical to apply theoretical primate models to develop a working Sasquatch research. I suspect that Sasquatch also use Mystery Creek valley, 20 Mile Creek valley, and Kirkland Creek valley to access Harrison Lake shore. Thomas Steenburg believes that Sasquatch will travel on the paths of the least resistance. The easiest ways between the Winslow valley and the Harrison Lake are those three creeks. cheers, seb
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2005 16:39:36 GMT -5
Hi Seb,
The rumor probably started with me as I have written about the possible sasquatch migration route between Pitt and Harrison Lake several times. In fact, the following is an excerpt taken from the text I wrote on thread below regarding the black salamander type creatures in the Fraser Valley:
Also, although it was only briefly, Warren Scott did mention Sasquatch during the show. As the camera panned around the cabin's interior over the host's shoulder, Scott could be seen flipping the pages of a rather large sketch book that he had filled with all manner and size of Sasquatch drawings. Since the host/producer was at the location specifically looking for these "giant black salamanders," he quickly changed the subject from Sasquatch back to his intention.
Warren Scott also made a statement about a certain valley between the Pitt and Harrison Lake country that the Sasquatch used regularly as a migration route.
Interestingly, my friend Dan Gerak owner of the Pitt River Lodge made the exact same statement as Scott to me about a particular valley North of Pitt Lake where he had found a fresh set of 17 inch Sasquatch tracks in. Dan said it was the only valley between the Pitt and Harrison Lakes that did not end in box canyons.
I can assure you that your thoughts on the Winslow Creek area at the north end of Stave Lake being the possible migration route are probably incorrect. In the past I spent a good deal of time on the upper Stave River and Winslow Creek area exploring, fishing and hunting. The Winslow Creek drainage has near vertical rock walls between one and two thousand feet in elevation. I believe it would be almost impossible for a Sasquatch to scale these walls using only its feet and hands.
The valley you seek is much further north. If you look at a good map, you can almost draw a line across to the upper Pitt River further north from where you are presently researching. Looking at my map, the possible Sasquatch migration route valley follows Sloquet Creek drainage over to the upper reaches of Corbold Creek drainage in the upper Pitt River Valley. That will put you in the unobstructed valley I speak of.
Thomas is probably right on the money assuming that sasquatch take the easiest path. In this case, there is only one path that does not end in sheer cliffs or box canyons.
Hope this helps.
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Post by sebastian on Jul 5, 2005 21:45:17 GMT -5
Thanks Bushman for the valuable information. So, it is Pitt Lake not Stave Lake. I know the Sloquet Creek hotspring. I used to go out 4 wheeling there. But I don't know the rest of the area well. The valley that you are talking about, I wonder if you have been there before? It is a bottlenecked area good for setting camera traps? cheers, seb
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Post by sebastian on Jul 5, 2005 22:09:12 GMT -5
Hi Bushman, I have just checked my map; that's the northern part of the Golden Ears Park and almost touching the southern most of Garibaldi park. It's a huge area! Now, looking at the bigger picture, I wonder if those Squamish reports are "connected" to the Pitt-Harrison activities? I've heard that a while ago there were some guys tried to ride their dirt bikes from Mamquam to northern Pitt. I don't think that they made it though. I don't suugest that it is a migration route, but may be their "home range" is much larger than we thought. cheers, seb
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2005 15:03:12 GMT -5
Thanks Bushman for the valuable information. So, it is Pitt Lake not Stave Lake. I know the Sloquet Creek hotspring. I used to go out 4 wheeling there. But I don't know the rest of the area well. The valley that you are talking about, I wonder if you have been there before? It is a bottlenecked area good for setting camera traps? cheers, seb You're welcome, Sebastian. I believe you'll have to look for the valley linked between the headwaters of Sloquet Creek and Corbold Creek. Looking at my map you only cross one mountain range at this location so the distance is not great. I only know what Dan has told me about the valley as he has flown over it dozens of times in helicopters. According to what he has said about the valley, it sounds like it would be perfectly suited to camera traps to the east of Corbold Creek. It is a couple of miles into the start of valley and Dan has said the hike is no picnic from the upper Pitt River side. Not sure what it would look like in the headwaters of Sloquet Creek but I imagine it would be much the same terrain no matter which way a person was to go. Bushman
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2005 15:15:26 GMT -5
Hi Bushman, I have just checked my map; that's the northern part of the Golden Ears Park and almost touching the southern most of Garibaldi park. It's a huge area! Now, looking at the bigger picture, I wonder if those Squamish reports are "connected" to the Pitt-Harrison activities? I've heard that a while ago there were some guys tried to ride their dirt bikes from Mamquam to northern Pitt. I don't think that they made it though. I don't suugest that it is a migration route, but may be their "home range" is much larger than we thought. cheers, seb Sebastian, Did Thomas mention to you about the special map of this area that I have? Back when I was guiding and running my wilderness adventure company, I supplied all the transportation for WCWC crews cutting the Gold Pan Trail into the Pinecone Burke Wilderness Area before it was designated a park. We had some very detailed maps made at this time. The area between the north end of Harrison Lake, the upper Pitt River valley and the Mamquam are not very many miles apart if you used the possible saquatch migration route valley that links them all together. I'm reasonably sure the Sasquatch use the valley because it is the easiest and quickest route linking possible food sources and living areas. Bushman
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Post by sebastian on Jul 6, 2005 22:16:50 GMT -5
Hello Bushman, No, Thomas didn't mention about your special map. As a matter of fact, we were talking about this valley a few weeks ago. He thought that it came out of the east end by Sloquet Creek as well. May I ask what is the scale of your map? I know that the area is very rugged. Without serious planning, attempt to travel through that valley is very dangerous. I don't think that there is even a trail west of the Sloquet hotspring. Anyway, me and a few BCSCC guys will be at Kirkland Creek on the July16th and 17th weekend. You know, pass the first bridge after 20 Mile Bay (about 40 km) and then turn right (east) into a narrow road as soon as you pass the bridge. There is a little "lean-to" by the lakeshore. There was a sighting in 2000 April right at the bay there. You are more than welcome! I think that Thomas will go as well. cheers, seb cheers,
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2005 0:45:32 GMT -5
Hi Sebastian, Yes, Thomas dropped over on Wednesday evening to look at some camera trap photos that DDA has posted on the BFF. He did say he forgot to mention my map to you. The maps are quite detailed and feature the most of the area between Squamish, the Boise Valley and over a short distance to the east of the upper Pitt River. The scale on the maps is 3.5 cm to 5 klms. If a person is not prepared for the unexpected, the entire upper Pitt River region can be dangerous and even deadly. There are 22 people missing without a trace in the upper Pitt River country that offer proof things can turn bad quickly should a person have an accident, run into an aggressive wild creature or perhaps get lost. Should I get the chance, I'd like to come up and check out the area near Harrison Lake you and your friends will be investigating on July 16 and 17. I'll have to check the honey-do list my wife has for me and see if I can get out of a job for a day. Oh, by the way, I forgot to mention that there are no roads or "drivable" trails leading over from the Mamquam to the upper Pitt River Valley. However, the map I have gives exact directions for the roads to use leading in from Squamish to the west Boise Valley trail head. From the Boise Valley trail head into the upper Pitt River valley it is hiking trails through virgin rain forest only. Bushman
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Post by Gerry on Jul 8, 2005 22:29:18 GMT -5
Me Too! Me Too!! Hi Sebastian, Should I get the chance, I'd like to come up and check out the area near Harrison Lake you and your friends will be investigating on July 16 and 17. I'll have to check the honey-do list my wife has for me and see if I can get out of a job for a day.
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Post by sebastian on Jul 9, 2005 0:41:18 GMT -5
Hello Bushman and GC! It will be great if you guys can drop by! I think that I will be there late friday night. Troy will be there a little earlier. May be we can go up to the ridge and try some sound blasting as well(even though Thomas NEVER likes that idea). cheers, seb
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2006 3:40:32 GMT -5
Hello Bushman, No, Thomas didn't mention about your special map. As a matter of fact, we were talking about this valley a few weeks ago. He thought that it came out of the east end by Sloquet Creek as well. May I ask what is the scale of your map? I know that the area is very rugged. Without serious planning, attempt to travel through that valley is very dangerous. I don't think that there is even a trail west of the Sloquet hotspring. Anyway, me and a few BCSCC guys will be at Kirkland Creek on the July16th and 17th weekend. You know, pass the first bridge after 20 Mile Bay (about 40 km) and then turn right (east) into a narrow road as soon as you pass the bridge. There is a little "lean-to" by the lakeshore. There was a sighting in 2000 April right at the bay there. You are more than welcome! I think that Thomas will go as well. cheers, seb cheers, I'd hit up the Ministry of Forests for some maps. They'll have good topo, road, ecosystem maps. Just tell them you want to do some backcountry exploring or something, and I'm sure they'll have no problems giving you some copies.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2008 2:50:12 GMT -5
The rumor probably started with me as I have written about the possible sasquatch migration route between Pitt and Harrison Lake several times. I have always thought the area north of Pitt lake to be an interesting spot. A story about Pitt lake is that back in Colonial times. There was a native man who would disappear into the wilderness of the area for weeks at a time. When he would return to New Westminster he had plenty of gold. Now this story is about him and the curse he put, and a murder, and goldrush greed...BUT since the man was executed at the old Begbie courthouse, many people have gone out there to find this elusive "motherload" that was hidden out there. And a lot of them havn't come back. Just adds some mystery of a possible connection. Or, to a superstitious person it's just "the curse." Thought I'd mention it for the heck of it. But not surprisingly, once your north or east of the lower main land there isnt much there in the form of civilization.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2008 2:48:48 GMT -5
Just spent a bit of time up the top end of Alouette and Stave lake. Beautiful and rugged area and I could see how easy it would be to not been seen if wanted. Unfortunaly i dont have anything of intrest to report. There is a cabin at the top of Alouette Lake in good nik for any one out exploring the area. I also read this little dicussion on club tread about the stave alouette area. www.clubtread.com/sforum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5056there are a few people poking fun at it but there is a serious response or two. Cheers
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Post by vilnoori on Jul 30, 2008 13:23:53 GMT -5
Maybe "the boss" was trading gold for salt. And didn't like the new guys.
Interesting report about Alouette-Stave!
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Post by bigfoothunter on Oct 16, 2008 19:34:47 GMT -5
"Thomas Steenburg believes that Sasquatch will travel on the paths of the least resistance."
I have not a clue as to why Tom would make such a bold statement ... what evidence did he cite for this? This certainly wasn't the case in Ruby Creek in 1941. Betty Unger said her Sasquatch was going up the mountain at Hemlock Valley. Betty said the road was plowed and yet the creature chose the worse route to take. Green writes that there are reports where the animals tracks when found on a dirt road will make a turn and go up and down some really rough grades and through thickets when it could have easily taken the road itself.
As far as I have seen and experienced first-hand ... the creature goes where ever it damned well pleases without any regard to the difficulty of the path it has chosen.
I will see Tom within the hour and I will ask that he explain to me how he was able to much such a statement.
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