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Post by rastaman on Nov 26, 2007 15:43:24 GMT -5
Gerry, do you recall any sasquatch sighting in the past out by the Lindeman/Greendrop Lakes trail area?
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Post by Sean V. on Nov 26, 2007 22:18:54 GMT -5
Gerry, do you recall any sasquatch sighting in the past out by the Lindeman/Greendrop Lakes trail area? Yes, I know I'm not Gerry. But I think I may have an occurrence report from the area that you speak of. If its on my computer, then I can find it with little problem, if its still in my old paper files, then it may take awhile to find. I will let you know.
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Post by vilnoori on Nov 29, 2007 2:02:59 GMT -5
If you have Google Earth there are a couple of experiences listed in the Chilliwack River Valley. One was a few guys playing around, one of them sounded off a few bigfoot sounding howls and was pretty surprised to get an answer back. I think that was near Alice Pool. Then yeah, there is one near Lindeman Lake, as follows: www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=14020The scariest is the report of a border guard who took his wife and little daughter camping on Canadian Border Peak (one of the mountains just south of Chilliwack River Valley). Their bodies were found wrapped around some nearby big rocks, like they had been thrown there with force. The little daughter was found sitting at the camp table, unharmed. Now where did I read that report!
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Post by vilnoori on Nov 29, 2007 2:23:07 GMT -5
Oh, and of course, the reports from Cultus Lake (newly weds go missing, a very early report) and this one: www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=14020Then there are the reports including a very recent one from the Silver Lake area, just south of the border from Cultus Lake and really in the same range of mountains. All in all this is quite a hot area, sassy wise. There's also the Mt. Baker sightings, which are not far away, either. If you look at the map, it's all within a single mountain range, or, you might call it, the foothills of Baker Mountain. Oh, I found the border guard incident report: www.internationalbigfootsociety.com/html/dsp_report.php?id=1102I also did a bit of digging about the caves in the area. There are several karstic (limestone) outcroppings, like the Chipmunk Caves in the Chilliwack River Valley as well as some on Church Mountain and Mt. McGuire, just south of Chilliwack River Valley. Plus, Baker being a volcano, there are probably some lava tunnels or tubes in that area as well. Since cavers are very reluctant to tell people where they find them, it might be a neat thing this spring and summer to have a really good go-over Church and McGuire Mountains. Anyway, here is the triangle of this area on Google Earth:
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Post by rastaman on Jan 2, 2008 14:53:00 GMT -5
Luckily in Canadian Provincial and Federal Parks there is NO logging allowed at all, while in U.S. National Parks clearcut logging is rampant.
Loss of habitat is the main reason wildlife is going instinct today due to the burning and clearcutting of land for development and agriculture.
Will the Sasquatch ever go instinct? Quite possible if loss of habitat continues to progress and erode their food and living resources.
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Post by vilnoori on Jan 2, 2008 23:01:20 GMT -5
I believe you mean "Extinct."
I disagree. As long as forests are replanted in a timely way, and logged responsibly, there will be plenty of habitat for Sasquatch and other creatures.
The main reason why animals go extinct is that they are not able to diversify and exploit several possible sources of food and habitat. When one population of such a poor adapter expires, usually another very similar species moves into the niche it has emptied. I think this is simply natural selection. With time and success, species again diversify.
Take for example the Lynx, which is very selective about what it eats, and the Bobcat, which will eat practically any animal. Or think about the animals that need reindeer moss to survive, like the Mountain Caribou. There are plenty of ordinary Caribou (perhaps really they are the same animal) up north munching on hundreds of thousands of miles of tundra, but because logging has reduced stands of reindeer moss-bearing old growth trees here in the south, Mountain Caribou are endangered.
There are also lots of species that are considered rare in certain states or countries that are plentiful elsewhere.
At any rate Sasquatch populations, which remain uncounted, are not considered by anyone with any expertise in the field to be endangered! In fact if logging increases prey animals such as deer, they are benefitting by it. I wonder if sightings are actually on an increase.
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Post by rastaman on Jan 3, 2008 12:27:41 GMT -5
Thanks for the spelling correction vilnoori. I did mean "Extinct".
However, many agencies out there, the World Wildlife Fund for one, have stated that animal species are going extinct everyday due to deforestation.
Now where are these animals to go after a clearcut nullifies their home? They can't just move to another forest that is already occupied by others of its species. There is just no room for these displaced animals to move to an already occupied forest, so they end up succumbing to a lack of resources to survive.
I've seen lots of these moonscapes, as clearcut logging leaves the area looking like, take years before even a bird is able to nest in it. The environment is changed drastically from its previous beneficial outcome for wildlife.
Also, when logged areas are replanted in B.C. they turn into a mono-culture of mostly one tree species that is planted (Douglas Fir) that is far from the original diversity of trees that were originally found there. More diversity of trees and plants are found in old growth forests which in turn feed and shelter a more variety of animal species.
I'm an ex-logger myself, so I know all about it from seeing its longterm effects on the landscape.
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Post by vilnoori on Jan 3, 2008 19:14:56 GMT -5
Well this is getting a bit far from the original discussion, but I think the operative word is "responsible" logging. I've mentioned before that creating a moonscape, round or square huge area of logging is not the way to go, but that irregularly shaped, smaller logging areas with lots of trees left unlogged is much the better way to go. And yes, there are species that benefit from logging. And just last month I saw a lovely little wren's nest in the upturned roots of a tree. It didn't need a standing forest to live in. I have seen some very rich-in-diversity second growth forests that were never replanted but that just came up. You're right about the poor outcome when a monoculture of tree planting occurs. I've seen it, and I think some of that is responsible for the pine beetle infestation we're now seeing.
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Post by rastaman on Jan 7, 2008 13:36:54 GMT -5
Being a biologist yourself, you must know that the Spotted Owl is one species at risk due to clearcutting of old growth forests. Not many of these owls are surviving even in the Chilliwack area (see link below). Less than 100 pairs are left in the wild. I'm not an anti-logger or a so-called "tree hugger" as some might presume, but a concerned citizen about the plight of wildlife which are being slowly fragmented into smaller and smaller areas to live and gradually face extinction. The only thing that logging companies are concerned about are the dollars made on selling logs, and who cares about the plight of wildlife. Because people are starting to say something and bring public awareness and write their members of parliament that action is being taken to preserve more Crown Land for wildlife. After all, every Canadian taxpayer also owns a piece of Crown Land which we all should have a say about how its being used. There's just no doubt that all large animals, even Sasquatch need large tracts of land set aside for them to guarantee their longterm survival. www.speciesatrisk.gc.ca/search/speciesDetails_e.cfm?SpeciesID=33
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Post by vilnoori on Jan 7, 2008 18:21:48 GMT -5
Thanks for the link. It's a remarkable case in point of what I was saying. Take for example the Barred Owl, which is so similar to the spotted owl that it is thought that they hybridize. So they may in fact be genetic variations of one larger species, since by definition seperate species do not interbreed. We will probably see the day when all the Spotted Owls die out and Barred Owls take all their habitat. So ok, it will be a shame that we never see the little owl with horizontal stripes on it's chest, instead of the vertical barring seen on Barred Owls. But I doubt there will be much change to the rest of the habitat. And many years in the future, probably when people have figured out how to do without harvesting trees anymore, Barred Owls will diversify, mutate and there will again be a spotted owl type. QED Now we really must stop discussing owls on a sasquatch forum. Just Not Done. www.britishcolumbia.com/wildlife/?id=90
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Post by vilnoori on Jul 12, 2008 20:16:24 GMT -5
I've heard tell of an abandoned Silver mine near the south end of Chilliwack Lake, and would like to find it. Does anyone here know where it is? Beegee? Do you?
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Post by beegee on Jul 13, 2008 13:41:56 GMT -5
Hi vilnoori --- No have not heard about this particular abandoned silver mine, but have access to some books with old abandoned mines that may have reference to this area, will be able to do a little research early next week, will let you know if it turns up anything...........
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Post by cherni on Jul 14, 2008 1:07:33 GMT -5
Hey this story was on Coast to Coast AM tonight with Ian Punnett. He read it from Crypto Mundo.
Mentioned the entire thing, pretty much like the interview that's posted here. Mentioned it happened at Chilliwack Lake. It was really cool to hear. Not sure if anyone else heard it, but it was awesome to hear.
Too bad the didn't mention this site......
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Post by beegee on Jul 15, 2008 0:21:46 GMT -5
I took a friend out to Allison pool today for some quiet time fly fishing, its a beautiful place and although the fish were non existant, the place is a delight to the eye. Anyway we had been there maybe 15 minutes, and totally caught up in the presentation of the fly, when suddenly all surrounding noise stopped, and three loud "knocks" resounded from the far side of this tranquil spot, then just as the knocks finished the surroundings came alive again. My buddy asked "what the hell was that", I just shook my head and continued fishing. The best way I can descrbe the sound would be ----- two very large boulders being smacked together, now this took place in a inaccessable area, and on a slope that must have been close to vertical. I think I have read on this site about such happenings, and such, now if its communication of some sort ------ there was no reply, ------ this was so strange...........
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Post by beegee on Jul 15, 2008 12:12:08 GMT -5
Yes I was right, I went to /Encounters with bigfoot/strange happenings in the Chehalis area/ and Ken posted on March 27 ----- a story about rocks being "CLACKED TOGETHER" now this is a perfect description of what I heard at Allison pool........
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