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Post by mooseman on Mar 20, 2021 20:07:01 GMT -5
Little story here.
I'm in my 50's, started hunting seriously when I was 15, that year I shot my first moose. Shot my first bear when I was about 12 or 13.
Anyway, up just south of Prince George hunting an area my dad found years before, we're sitting around the fire and my dad's buddy brought up a story about when he was scared up there one year.
John was a university educated guy, had a job with the government in fisheries if I remember right.
He had a particular way of talking, chose his words wisely. He told me about this sound he heard in the bush up there that, in his words, sounded primate in nature. Scared the hell out of him.
After going up there year after year that story stuck with me.
It wasn't until about 20 years later up there one of my partners saw a cow moose come out into a slash and 'barked and woofed' at him.
A few years after that I was crossing a dry slough in the same area and I heard it. Woo Woo! Loudest thing I'd ever heard in the bush. It reverberated in my chest. Sounded primate in nature like John said.
I've looked online for years and never found mention of a moose making a noise like that but over a 35 year span, 3 of us hearing it and one of my partners actually seeing it, I know moose bark and it's loud!
Anyway, I'm with Thomas when he says if you don't actually see what makes the sound you don't know what it is.
cheers, moose
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Post by mooseman on Mar 21, 2021 2:59:40 GMT -5
So part 2 of this story.
You have to keep in mind that I've been up and down Burke and Eagle mountain when I was a kid. All me and my buddy did was hike every weekend. As well as hunting with dad. Me and dad would spend a month up in the blackwater every year. In all that time I never heard anything unexplainable except for the moose barking, but we figured that out. The exception was a roar my brother and I heard 2 years ago.
We were up at his cabin just east of Green lake. It was the day after thanksgiving so nobody was up there. It's a fairly remote area. He has 60 acres backed on to crown land and there's only one neighbour and he's hardly up there. Pretty remote. We'd packed up and were ready to leave the next morning.
My brother said "Hey, why don't we grab a couple of beers, hop on the quad and go light a fire up the hill for our last night?" Sounds like a plan. We loaded up and headed out.
We got up the hill and before we even cracked a beer we heard this long drawn out roar. It sounded like it wasn't close but it went on so long I looked at my brother and said "what the f**k was that?"
We didn't crack our beers, just hopped on the quad and went back to the cabin.
I have no idea what it was but in all my years in the bush I've never heard anything like that.
cheers, moose
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Post by Captain Morgan on Mar 25, 2021 22:14:26 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing your story! Since you're quoting Thomas, we needn't be reminded that cayotes make a large variety of sounds, and most non-outdoors-man would be astonish at the volume a bard owl can produce.
It's the high volume, long drone that defies explanation I tend to care about. I've never found a hunter or farmer that can explain this long freight-train like moan.
I walked with Thomas once on a sound experiment I was doing a call blasting test with Jason, gorilla barks and chest beats from 4 speakers on a 1,000w amp. Once we walked a few clicks down the road, the forest just gobbled up the volume and intensity. so I'm convinced that in heavily woods areas like the PNW / BC that if you hear something of incredible volume at a distance, whatever makes that sound must be massive.
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Post by sawone on Mar 26, 2021 0:24:05 GMT -5
Thomas, Jason, and Bill have spoken of that test. That was on a visit to that site about a year before I met all of you. It's very interesting to see the test. They said that as soon as one walked out of the clearing , up to the FSR, the sound diminished dramatically. That would seem to indicate that an audible roar, when in the deep woods, must be quite close.
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Post by mooseman on Mar 30, 2021 1:39:02 GMT -5
Thanks for replying. I've never heard anything like those gorilla sounds you were blasting. What we heard was just one really long roar/howl that went on longer than I have lungs for. Like I said, no idea what it was but I'm 99% sure it's explainable. I've since bought a decent digital audio recorder to leave out over night but I'm doubtful I'll ever hear it again. I spend a lot of time in the bush, I'm in my 50's, and I've never heard anything like that before.
I've seen people do good work recording sounds and comparing them with software to known animals. Might get lucky and record it but it's a total long shot.
It took about 35 years to figure out what the moose bark was so I don't think I'm going to figure out what that howl was over night. The area we heard it is a wildlife corridor. Lots of coyotes, wolves, deer, moose name it. Also a flyway. Whooping Sandhill cranes take a break on the side hill some times up there. They make crazy sounds if you don't know what they are.
It's rare, if you spend enough time in the bush, that you hear something that you can't readily explain. Happens once in a while though.
Anyway cheers, moose
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Post by mooseman on Apr 3, 2021 23:40:50 GMT -5
It's the high volume, long drone that defies explanation I tend to care about. I've never found a hunter or farmer that can explain this long freight-train like moan. I walked with Thomas once on a sound experiment I was doing a call blasting test with Jason That looks like either up Sylverster by the gravel pit or the bench road on the way to chilliwack lake. Am I close?
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Post by sawone on Apr 4, 2021 0:35:05 GMT -5
It's actually off the Ross Lake/Silver Skagit Rd, so your second guess was one valley off. There have been sightings in that valley.
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Post by billr on Apr 8, 2021 1:02:28 GMT -5
Always happy to see when captain shares that call blasting video. Always regretted missing that trip
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Post by mooseman on Apr 14, 2021 23:03:53 GMT -5
It's actually off the Ross Lake/Silver Skagit Rd, so your second guess was one valley off. There have been sightings in that valley. I've 4x4'd or camped on nearly every passable road this side of hope over the years but one area I haven't explored that much is the Skagit. My son and I did a day trip to Ross lake last summer. What a beautiful area. It stands to reason that something would travel that route now that I've been there. It's a pass through a pretty tough mountain range. On a side note, I spent 4 days up in the cariboo last week. Nothing out of the ordinary, not one mammal as a matter of fact! I guess the deer are still down in Clinton but the fowl are sure moving! I hear the upper Chehalis is open now so I'm thinking of going up there fishing. I try to get up there a few times a year. A few years ago I heard that some native guys heard some howls near 20 mile bay but I don't know what time of year that was. Personally I think timing is half the battle. Anyone hear any reports to that effect? cheers, moose
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Post by sawone on Apr 15, 2021 11:10:13 GMT -5
Thomas and I did a follow up on a track find reported by some loggers up in the Mystery Pass a few years ago, but found nothing but bear tracks in the location they had specified. I was up at Chehalis North Beach last summer, and although part of the road was washed out, it was very busy there. I just heard that the washout is repaired now, and you could drive a car into there.
On Sunday, Silver-Skagit was blocked at km 26 so that a crew could remove dozens of blow downs, but the security at the barricade said it would be open all the way to the lake by the 15th, so it should be good to go now.
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Post by mooseman on Apr 15, 2021 22:11:33 GMT -5
That's probably the same bunch I heard about then. I was up the end of chehalis last year but I went pretty early in the year so it wasn't busy. It's still pretty cold at night this time of year so there aren't as many people.
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Post by mooseman on Apr 16, 2021 1:46:56 GMT -5
I walked with Thomas once on a sound experiment I was doing a call blasting test with Jason, gorilla barks and chest beats from 4 speakers on a 1,000w amp. So I've been thinking about your experiment for a while now and I have a few questions. Was this purely to pump out loud sounds and see how far you can hear them? And do you actually call blast at that volume and wait for replies? The reason I ask is that, like I've mentioned before, I've been a life long moose hunter. Dad always taught me to be subtle. You can't imitate them perfectly. I practiced my moose calls in the blind in our slough year in, year out. I never called one in even though they were all around us. We always filled our tags but it was when you were being still and quiet with maybe a quiet grunt once an hour. Maybe a cow call. The only moose that ever ran right at me was when I was trying to cough quietly into my gloved hand. He was in the timber behind the slough and made a b-line right at me over 300 yards of swamp. I finally jumped out of the blind and yelled at him. He stopped about 50 yards away and I shot him. I learned something new that day, that's for sure! I'm really enjoying all the input fellas! cheers, moose
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Post by Captain Morgan on Apr 17, 2021 14:16:21 GMT -5
Yes. Plus I believe that if Sasquatch have a huge solid breastbone and large chest cavity they too could just knock on their own body for location purposes.
I did use those speakers on other occasions but not at that loudness. I've played the sounds of children playing, animal sounds, native american chants, buddhist monk chants, symphonies, female vocalists, pop music, you name it.
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Post by mooseman on Apr 24, 2021 8:52:51 GMT -5
Have you ever gotten any responses?
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Post by Captain Morgan on Apr 26, 2021 17:10:31 GMT -5
Ya researchers showed up from 3 different directions with baseball bats in their hands.
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